Quote from MrPadre19 on July 28, 2019, 5:05 pm

So let’s trade for both....Stroman and Thor.

If that’s all the Mets gave up we should be able to “double their money’ on Stroman and take Thor too.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 28, 2019, 5:18 pm

The last rumor I saw was Morejon/Urias/Wingenter for Thor.

At first I thought,”no way”...........but.

 

Saw another similar but also included Myers to NYM and Cano coming back.

Hmm.....

 

Quote from fenn68 on July 28, 2019, 6:46 pm

Quote from David Nevin on July 28, 2019, 5:18 pm

The last rumor I saw was Morejon/Urias/Wingenter for Thor.

At first I thought,”no way”...........but.

 

Saw another similar but also included Myers to NYM and Cano coming back.

Hmm.....

 

Sounds like NY generated rumors.

Saw notes that Urias is not in any trade discussions ... Padres not moving him. Saw this after other speculation that being possible.

Actually after seeing the paltry return TOR got for Stroman, may the most productive arm available for a contender, and the contenders did not top that .... got to think the valuation metrics in all ML FO are way different than how most fans view the players. No Top 100 prospect. Basically a “crafty” 24 year old LHP just up from AA to AAA and a 2nd round pick for 2018 out of HS. A guy with 2020 control when the METS could get most of that back at next year’s trade deadline (in theory) or a Comp Pick which balances out the HS kid. TOR could have done the same, so really the return for Stroman was just Kay.

If that is a template for the buyers ... the other SP may not move at all. Looking as though moving a Top 100 prospect may not be in the plans of the buyers. In Syndergaard case, extra year but not pitching better than Stroman, so the offers may not be all that much greater ... no Top 100 player and maybe a couple of  next tier prospect and a low A type. A Bolanos - Avila - Cantillo may be closer to market than using 2 Top 100 players and a good ML RP.

Side comment is that the METS may focus on dealing Wheeler and make a run at the playoffs in 2020 with DeGrom, Stroman, Syndergaard, Matz, and Vargas ... killer SP staff. If out by next trade deadline, move Stroman, Vargas, and Syndergaard and restock. Ownership wants to win now ... so really dealing Syndergaard makes little sense if it is just for prospects. Don’t understand the METS and in this case TOR.

Still stunned that none of the true contenders have ponied up real talent for Stroman and don’t appear to do so for Syndergaard. If true contenders don’t see the value of those deals ... no idea why the Padres would.

 

Quote from fenn68 on July 28, 2019, 8:01 pm

This is surreal ... Toronto is also sending “cash considerations” to the Mets when Stroman’s current salary is only $2.5MM (no idea on arb cost next season).

Stroman in 124 innings this season has a spectacular 2.96 ERA ... in the AL ... in the AL East. Then they actually add money to the deal to essentially just get Kay a non-Top 100 pitcher just promoted from AA.

No contender would beat that? If for this year’s playoff run alone let alone they would control him next season. I guess a great deal by the METS.

Side note: Syndergaard in 126 innings this season has a pretty average 4.33 ERA but does have an additional year control. I guess if the contenders don’t see him helping immediately ... they will just wait for other options in the winter for the future plus he carries a $6MM salary in 2019 so expect some big jumps in 2020 and 2021 ...

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side notes: one report suggested the METS wanted Margot in the deal of more player and another report said that Gore would not be in the deal (really?) .... sound like a lot of East Coast speculation with all talent going East for the and little going West.

Also, I am sure the METS fans would love to dump Cano (and his contract) ... not so sure about the GM. Padres would have zero interest .... Cano’s contract annually (even after Seattle’s buydown) is a little over $20MM per year and runs a year longer than Myers’ covering his ages 37-38-39-40. So he would cost more than Myers.

Quote from Brian Connelly on July 28, 2019, 9:53 pm

Quote from David Nevin on July 28, 2019, 5:04 pm

Huh?

So apparently we weren’t interested in Stroman at all!

 

No we weren't.  Would have only had him next year.  If in it this year, maybe a different story.

Quote from Brian Connelly on July 28, 2019, 10:17 pm

How does Stroman deal NOT help Pads?  Even contending teams passed on giving up a #99 overall prospect for a really good SP for 1+ years?   Why are they suddenly going to pay dramatically more for a more expensive SP to gain the extra year?

Can't control who/what Mets WANT for Thor, but AJ has an endless blizzard of "quantity" combos he can throw at them.

Other takeaways:

• If this indicates the market DO NOT trade Yates
• Hell no on Cano... WAY wrong direction...

Quote from Cptjack on July 29, 2019, 12:26 am

I think Stroman for the Mets was an absolute steal. But that was clearly a deal predicated on the lottery ticket rather than Kay. We can cover the front end of it just fine. We actually have problems covering the lottery ticket. Which is why you heard Cantillo's name pop up. Who is far and above Simeon Woods right now.

Now that the Mets set the market, it'll be impossible to ask for a couple top 50 prospects in return for Syndergaard. The market was already known to be fairly bad with how many teams were slotted for the playoffs before the season began and those slotted teams bad farm systems. Throw in the fact that they really don't want to trade him to a division rival, Yankees, or someone better at analytics than them and you've just got rid of half the suitors.

Becoming more and more evident that the 1 game playoff is contributing to the trade deadline lull where only the elite teams improve their rosters for this season.

Quote from Brian Connelly on July 29, 2019, 4:14 am

Quote from Cptjack on July 29, 2019, 12:26 am

I think Stroman for the Mets was an absolute steal. But that was clearly a deal predicated on the lottery ticket rather than Kay. We can cover the front end of it just fine. We actually have problems covering the lottery ticket. Which is why you heard Cantillo's name pop up. Who is far and above Simeon Woods right now.

Now that the Mets set the market, it'll be impossible to ask for a couple top 50 prospects in return for Syndergaard. The market was already known to be fairly bad with how many teams were slotted for the playoffs before the season began and those slotted teams bad farm systems. Throw in the fact that they really don't want to trade him to a division rival, Yankees, or someone better at analytics than them and you've just got rid of half the suitors.

Becoming more and more evident that the 1 game playoff is contributing to the trade deadline lull where only the elite teams improve their rosters for this season.

GREAT post & analysis Capt!  MLB has distinction of having had far & away the 3 dumbest policies in pro sports:  took care of #1 (All star game deciding home field advantage in playoffs).  #3 (different rules AL vs NL) near a foregone conclusion to resolve one way or another.  Maybe a dud deadline helps change #2 (deciding a 162 game season with a 1 game playoff is absurd; should be best of 3).

Quote from fenn68 on July 29, 2019, 6:53 am

I will be fascinated with the rest of the deals to the deadline (a little over 54 hours) ... if there are any BIG deals or just some deals on the margin.

The Stroman deal sets such a low bar for returns ... not sure it makes any sense for the selling teams to make the deal .... just wait until the winter when more teams may be interested in dealing. Even the top “rentals” .... who could be QO and yield a Comp Pick ... not looking as the a current trade return would be better.

Agree, Yates does not look to get enough return to be worth the trade ... maybe something like Stroman ... both top tier players with 1 additional year of control. Adding a prospect that might set into the #15 range on the Padres does not help much.

That may even be the issue with someone like Stammen ... maybe a non-prospect at best and saving some money? With the Padres’ young pen that they will not run out there on consecutive days to protect their arms while building endurance .... Stammen has a big value since he can be run out again and again (has been in half the games so far). Plus they really like him as a positive factor for the team ... probably a negative to deal him to save a few bucks.