Quote from WindsorUK on August 6, 2019, 10:17 pm

Not a fan of that stuff either.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 7, 2019, 6:27 am

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Quote from fenn68 on August 5, 2019, 12:07 pm

On the flip side, Renfroe has slumped for his earlier hot run ... 203/260/380 (643). Returns Renfroe to the debate who is he really ... the hot streak or the cold streak?

We absolutely kept the wrong guy.

Did we?

 

Reyes since trade .105/.100/.158...OPS .258

8 strikeouts 0 walks in 19 PAs

And plays no Defense..

Quote from fenn68 on August 7, 2019, 7:15 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 7, 2019, 6:27 am

Quote from sportwarrior on August 5, 2019, 1:39 pm

Quote from fenn68 on August 5, 2019, 12:07 pm

On the flip side, Renfroe has slumped for his earlier hot run ... 203/260/380 (643). Returns Renfroe to the debate who is he really ... the hot streak or the cold streak?

We absolutely kept the wrong guy.

Did we?

 

Reyes since trade .105/.100/.158...OPS .258

8 strikeouts 0 walks in 19 PAs

And plays no Defense..

Maybe no one wanted to give up anything for Renfroe? However, an AL team needing a DH would take Reyes as a throw-in.

For the Padres it was who does the buyer prefer to get a deal done .... fair chance neither would have been a long term solution in RF so the Padres really does not care ... and in the winter, if Renfroe is needed in a deal for someone Preller wants ... he gone!

Quote from fenn68 on August 7, 2019, 7:30 am

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 6, 2019, 9:38 pm

Who still thinks having Morejon at this level when clearly he is not ready is a good idea?

Not going to dump on Morejon .... can’t figure out why the Padres added him to the roster and called him up (other than he is LH). He still is a young AA pitcher who was being lightly worked in controlled innings. Simply he is not ML ready ... and nothing in AA suggested he was.

While up ... Padres are still lightly using him (not helping his performance in the short run) and makes the pen more of an issue with Munoz and Baez also being limited so as not to hurt a young arm given their limited innings history.

Erlin staying up (like him or not) would seem the better short term option ... even going with a RHP would not have been worse. I guess the Padres could see some development plus with Morejon in the ML then apply that back the minors next season?

Castillo should be back soon. Morejon should go back down then.

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 7, 2019, 11:26 am

Quote from fenn68 on August 7, 2019, 7:30 am

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 6, 2019, 9:38 pm

Who still thinks having Morejon at this level when clearly he is not ready is a good idea?

Not going to dump on Morejon .... can’t figure out why the Padres added him to the roster and called him up (other than he is LH). He still is a young AA pitcher who was being lightly worked in controlled innings. Simply he is not ML ready ... and nothing in AA suggested he was.

While up ... Padres are still lightly using him (not helping his performance in the short run) and makes the pen more of an issue with Munoz and Baez also being limited so as not to hurt a young arm given their limited innings history.

Erlin staying up (like him or not) would seem the better short term option ... even going with a RHP would not have been worse. I guess the Padres could see some development plus with Morejon in the ML then apply that back the minors next season?

Castillo should be back soon. Morejon should go back down then.

You guys took the words out of my mouth.  It's a more drastic head scratcher than Naylor > Jankowski for August which many of us disagreed with, but there's logic to.

Munoz has clearly been on a fast track all season, dominated everywhere, slowly built up to back to back outings, is clearly ready AND had to be protected anyway in offseason despite his youth.  Baez hasn't progressed as wished with his injury setbacks limiting his IP; but his age, size, & stuff make a callup to pen logical; especially when so many guys haven't performed in MLB.

But the thing with Morejon is; it's hard to make sense of even what the Padres "intent" is.  With Lamet back and Quantrill pitching so well (not innings limited especially with some time out of pen already limiting his max starts) why are they even playing this game of not announcing that Q is going to start on his turns in rotation; i.e. why disrupt the guy pitching really well to potentially "open" with Morejon?  Morejon has pitched 63 & 65 innings the last 2 years; 44 so far this year.  Tightening the reins sharply @ AA made sense when he was sore, but wouldn't it make more sense now to slowly build his innings up in a controlled environment?  How does it help Pads or Morejon for future to log 65 innings again not really starting this year?

Maybe Morejon was always intended to just get a taste of MLB until Castillo (L) returned, but I don't understand why he's up.

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 7, 2019, 11:43 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 7, 2019, 6:27 am

Quote from sportwarrior on August 5, 2019, 1:39 pm

Quote from fenn68 on August 5, 2019, 12:07 pm

On the flip side, Renfroe has slumped for his earlier hot run ... 203/260/380 (643). Returns Renfroe to the debate who is he really ... the hot streak or the cold streak?

We absolutely kept the wrong guy.

Did we?

 

Reyes since trade .105/.100/.158...OPS .258

8 strikeouts 0 walks in 19 PAs

And plays no Defense..

Agree Henry.  Full disclosure I have gone back and forth on the 2... but 2 similar guys power wise (Reyes POTENTIALLY better overall offensively esp OBP), but couldn't be a wider gulf defensively.  Renfroe was always a good defender in minors.  Struggled some in MLB early on.  Has worked at it & with playing time has improved dramatically.  Simply unrealistic to project any improvement there from Reyes.  Presumably can't even play 1B (can't see him getting routine grounders not right at him) or Pads would have tried him there over all those years in minors.

It all comes down to this:  2019 WAR:  Renfroe 3.1  Reyes -0.1   

Even if Renfroe regresses some defensively, and Reyes does improve his hitting/OBP, it's hard to envision any way Reyes ever closes that WAR gap.  Only chance is as vast majority DH... only works in AL.

 

 

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 7, 2019, 2:14 pm

Re: Erlin...  nothing against him.  I believe he's actually the longest tenured Padre?  But along with injured Band aids (for guys who were injured before  season) Loup & Warren, there is no one more likely to be off roster by Nov then Erlin.

He has served well as the bridge to younger, more talented guys who are all arriving now.  Entering 3rd year of Arb vs. example 3 more years of control for Carl Edwards & Perdomo.  Have to cut $ somewhere.

I look for him to be strategically DFA when Avila, Nix, & /or Kennedy come off DL.  It's entirely possible a contender claims him as optionable depth this year & Pads save a little prorated salary.

Wish him well if that does happen; he & Naylor are the last trade pieces from the Josh Byrnes era....

 

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 7, 2019, 2:40 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 7, 2019, 2:14 pm

Re: Erlin...  nothing against him.  I believe he's actually the longest tenured Padre?  But along with injured Band aids (for guys who were injured before  season) Loup & Warren, there is no one more likely to be off roster by Nov then Erlin.

He has served well as the bridge to younger, more talented guys who are all arriving now.  Entering 3rd year of Arb vs. example 3 more years of control for Carl Edwards & Perdomo.  Have to cut $ somewhere.

I look for him to be strategically DFA when Avila, Nix, & /or Kennedy come off DL.  It's entirely possible a contender claims him as optionable depth this year & Pads save a little prorated salary.

Wish him well if that does happen; he & Naylor are the last trade pieces from the Josh Byrnes era....

 

I think Naylor was traded to SD with Preller as GM

Quote from fenn68 on August 7, 2019, 3:03 pm

Agree that Erlin will not be around in 2020 for the Padres ... but maybe not DFA during 2019 season. As a LH, he actually may have some trade value in that window between the end of he season and setting the Rule 5 roster ... at least as a piece in a bigger deal. His salary for the rest 0f 2019 is not all that much and he could clear waivers and the Padres would be on the hook anyway. Maybe other options go first.