Quote from WindsorUK on January 31, 2021, 8:33 am

We picked Hand off the trash heap for minimum dollars, turned him into an All Star.

We picked Yates off the trash heap for minimum dollars, turned him into an All Star.

We have Pomeranz ( another pitcher we turned into an All Star) who's had success as a closer. We have Pagan who has had success as a closer. We have Adams who could possibly close.

Why should we spend money on bringing in a closer? Doesn't seem necessary.

Quote from fenn68 on January 31, 2021, 10:04 am

RP just are hard to put a long term valuation on given their volatility of performance in most cases.

Padres have Pomeranz and Pagan controlled for 3 years and Adams for 4 years and that is a good core for high leverage situations. Actually none of the 10 “most likely” are FA after 2021 (although most out of options). Hard to gauge how the Padres view that next level but Preller did trade for Hill, Altavilla and Williams, signed Johnson, protected Guerra. Strahm is just good as a RP.

Moreover, no idea how Preller sees the coming attractions in the minors as keys to a future pen. Castillo is on the verge still with 4 control years and some saw him has a high leverage option. Thompson got protected ... a lot based on his RP work in AZ. Espinosa is still young and may be now viewed as a pen option. All three have been highly regarded for the pure stuff and could / should be ready to compete in 2022 (or late 2021). Then add Top 30 RP Wilson and Knehr ... under the fan radar but apparently viewed highly by the Padres and again potential for 2022 impact. I will add Fox on the watch list.

There is more ... Clevinger returns next year and the current starting five return plus Gore, Morejon, Baez, Weathers will all be pushing for a slot ... one or more will end up in the pen.

That is enough not to worry and pay a high price for a multi-year RP add NOW.

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 31, 2021, 10:34 am

I don’t believe it is “mandatory” that we sign a Closer.

But we’ve done so much to assure competitiveness over the next 3 seasons but haven’t added to the Pen this offseason despite losing both Yates and Rosey.

Yes we have plenty of guys and Morejon and/or Weathers may see some time there too but all it would take is an injury to Pomeranz and everything we’ve done could result in coming up short.

We could add at the deadline.....but in my case I just really liked having Rosenthal at the back end.

He really embraced SD as evidenced by his back and forth with fans on Twitter.

Either way I trust AJ is either content with the Pen or has ideas of what to do closer to ST or even during the season.

I’m not suggesting he would be making a mistake by not signing him.....it’s more of a personal preference on my part as it just would move each guy down one notch in the Pen and make it that much stronger IMO.

 

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 1, 2021, 7:19 am

In the category of "take it for what its worth" there's a rumor out there that Morejon will be traded.

Apparently there was an Instagram post about it from his girlfriend that was deleted...speculation for Hader.

Again....just a rumor but if it involves Hader and Morejon I though it would be worth mentioning at least.

 

Quote from BoosterSD on February 1, 2021, 7:40 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 1, 2021, 7:19 am

In the category of "take it for what its worth" there's a rumor out there that Morejon will be traded.

Apparently there was an Instagram post about it from his girlfriend that was deleted...speculation for Hader.

Again....just a rumor but if it involves Hader and Morejon I though it would be worth mentioning at least.

 

Well, that is the type of player that Preller has been targeting this offseason. Hader has 3 years of control left, so fits the window that AJ has created for this team.

Would have to imagine that others would be involved. Morejon, Castillo, and Guerra for Hader.

Quote from fenn68 on February 1, 2021, 7:54 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 1, 2021, 7:19 am

In the category of "take it for what its worth" there's a rumor out there that Morejon will be traded.

Apparently there was an Instagram post about it from his girlfriend that was deleted...speculation for Hader.

Again....just a rumor but if it involves Hader and Morejon I though it would be worth mentioning at least.

 

Not that illogical rumor since MILW is apparently seeking partners on a Hader deal.

Probably would take more than Morejon given Hader is considered an elite MLB RP, under control for 3 years and currently just under $7MM then two arb years.

If the money is available, would Hader do more for the Padres to win the WS in the next three years than Morejon ... probably yes.

With Darvish, Snell, Lamet 3 year control ... Paddack with 4 year control ... and Gore, Weathers likely beating on the door by 2022 with 6 year control ... could argue the SP options are overstocked and the need for a Hader as a LHRP is greater than hoping Morejon can fill that role in the next three years.

As good as Hader has been ... could postulate he would be even better in SD since his Miller Park stats are worse than his AWAY stats for his career. Plus, MILW used him in a lot of multi-inning stints ... maybe wearing him down ... and with the Padres pen he may focus on one inning high leverage situations increasing his production.

Makes some logic from the Padres viewpoint .... depending on what the other parts of the deal.

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Padres are building a team for a three year window ... then a MAJOR turnover occurs (potentially). Will be interesting to see how the Padres try to cover that transition and remain competitive in 2024.

Quote from fenn68 on February 1, 2021, 7:59 am

Quote from BoosterSD on February 1, 2021, 7:40 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 1, 2021, 7:19 am

In the category of "take it for what its worth" there's a rumor out there that Morejon will be traded.

Apparently there was an Instagram post about it from his girlfriend that was deleted...speculation for Hader.

Again....just a rumor but if it involves Hader and Morejon I though it would be worth mentioning at least.

 

Well, that is the type of player that Preller has been targeting this offseason. Hader has 3 years of control left, so fits the window that AJ has created for this team.

Would have to imagine that others would be involved. Morejon, Castillo, and Guerra for Hader.

Surprised you did not include Stammen to MILW to partially offfset the hit from Hader’s salary in 2021.

 

Quote from BoosterSD on February 1, 2021, 8:20 am

Quote from fenn68 on February 1, 2021, 7:59 am

Quote from BoosterSD on February 1, 2021, 7:40 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 1, 2021, 7:19 am

In the category of "take it for what its worth" there's a rumor out there that Morejon will be traded.

Apparently there was an Instagram post about it from his girlfriend that was deleted...speculation for Hader.

Again....just a rumor but if it involves Hader and Morejon I though it would be worth mentioning at least.

 

Well, that is the type of player that Preller has been targeting this offseason. Hader has 3 years of control left, so fits the window that AJ has created for this team.

Would have to imagine that others would be involved. Morejon, Castillo, and Guerra for Hader.

Surprised you did not include Stammen to MILW to partially offfset the hit from Hader’s salary in 2021.

 

That is usually a BConn move, more so than me. But a very good idea IMO. Hader for net $3M increase this season is a bargain.

And I agree, with the RP that we have in place, I think Hader will be in a much better situation, not doing his Goose Gossage impersonation throwing 7 innings for a save.

Quote from fenn68 on February 1, 2021, 9:26 am

If they added Hader ...

8-9th innings for the next three years would be covered by Pomeranz (L), Hader (L), Pagan, and Adams .... preventing over-use of any of them while still maintain high quality to close out games.

7 inning set-up could be Strahm (L) for 2 years and Johnson for 2 year ... both better than given credit and they become the 5th and 6th pen arms.

IF, the starters can handle 6 inning starts ... and the presumed quality should get them all close to that on most days ... a solid formula for building up the win count.

That leaves two RP slots ... maybe one for "mop-up" in blow-outs and spot starts ... maybe one good enough to pitch in a tight game in the 6th/7th if the starters begin to falter.

Since the entire staff is controlled for 2021-22 and more arms are on the way ... many with projected quality ... still should be in good shape for 2023.