Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2021, 9:31 am

30 year old over hyped (because he played for the NYY) with only about 400 AB in the ML. Not sure he is better than O’Grady by much if at all plus has no minor league options.

IF any team trades for him ... would expect a fringe non-roster player and that team will need room on their 26 man roster. Would not be surprised is future is a waiver claim.

No interest.

Quote from Jeremy Hill on March 25, 2021, 9:49 am

Not sure how he's over hyped since he's not hyped at all. That's just a tired argument that gets thrown out for every Yankee. He put up an .865 OPS in 2019 and still got on base at a .343 clip while dealing with a shoulder injury last year. If the power comes back at all he would be an absolute steal. Even if it doesn't the on base skills alone make him valuable. O'Grady hasn't done anything at the major league level. If all it took was some bullpen depth to get the more proven guy it should be an easy call.

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 25, 2021, 10:43 am

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2021, 9:31 am

30 year old over hyped (because he played for the NYY) with only about 400 AB in the ML. Not sure he is better than O’Grady by much if at all plus has no minor league options.

IF any team trades for him ... would expect a fringe non-roster player and that team will need room on their 26 man roster. Would not be surprised is future is a waiver claim.

No interest.

8 teams are in on him.... so Pads might be 1 of them.   He can/has played CF but is more of a corner OF.  Older, more MLB experienced, but out of options version of O'Grady.

I wouldn't trade O'Grady for him, because lose the depth/versatility/optionability.  But if acquired he would definitely push O'Grady to AAA.   I can see Pads liking him as a better fill-in LH corner OF than Profar, OR as a DH if it gets added at the last minute.

But adding him would create a very inflexible bench of: him, Profar, Mateo ? (for CF) all out of options.  Pads seem damned/determined to add Kim, have to have a C, that's a 5-man bench that I may be the biggest fan of conceptually for O.D., but even I admit no way can sustain it (HAVE to go to 9 P in pen at some point) through April with 24 games in 25 days.

I don't trade/cut 26 y.o.RH elite speed CF/SS capable Mateo (out of options) or 28 y.o. LH CF capable O' Grady with options (given the ST they've both had) for 30 y.o. Tauchman  LH some CF experience out of options.

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2021, 12:28 pm

A key in that report on Tauchman is that the NYY are trying to sell him based on his 300 ML PA in 2019 ... at age 28 then ... and trying to avoid discussing this limited success prior (mainly with COLO) and 2020. Doubt they get that return based on a small sample size of a 28 year old "rookie" that COLO dealt to them for a fringe LHRP (Diehl) in ST 2019.

Scouts have long memories and large data base ... doubt 300 ML PA did much to sway their valuation at age 30.

Maybe better than O'Grady (maybe not) ... but for the last position player slot probably not worth the trade price and  locking down another roster slot. As in the other post ... Abrams, Marcano, Kim likely are better options for the future ... plus Profar is still around. Plus in fairness to O'Grady ... after a slow start ... he has performed will when his job was on the line.

Quote from Jeremy Hill on March 25, 2021, 3:43 pm

You can't write off what he's done over the past 2 seasons as a small sample size while simultaneously judging him for what he did in 70 PAs in 2 years with the Rockies. If we really want to talk about a small sample size, O'Grady and Mateo have a combined 81 PAs at the MLB level and they didn't go well. You're putting a lot of faith in their spring and minor league stats by giving them a bench spot. If we can get the more proven guy and only give up a reliever like Hill that we have someone like Weathers ready to replace I think it's an easy call.

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2021, 5:40 pm

Quote from Jeremy Hill on March 25, 2021, 3:43 pm

You can't write off what he's done over the past 2 seasons as a small sample size while simultaneously judging him for what he did in 70 PAs in 2 years with the Rockies. If we really want to talk about a small sample size, O'Grady and Mateo have a combined 81 PAs at the MLB level and they didn't go well. You're putting a lot of faith in their spring and minor league stats by giving them a bench spot. If we can get the more proven guy and only give up a reliever like Hill that we have someone like Weathers ready to replace I think it's an easy call.

They are all small sample sizes ... I could move on from all of them ... all three (Tauchman, Mateo, and O'Grady) basically were given up on by other organizations for peanuts. Can they provide a useful bench role on a team ... yes ... but not worth giving up much to add them. I just wound not under-estimate the issue with Tauchman being out of options and the potential future of a 4 man bench and him having limited versatility (vs Mateo, Profar, and Kim ... or even Marcano) and then the 2nd catcher.

Side: think the Padres will need BOTH Hill and Weathers during the season from the left side to take a load off the pen much more that the bench upgrade. Both have options ... and coupled with Morejon and Pomeranz ... should cover the LHRP through the probable IL stints in the pen.

Quote from Jeremy Hill on March 25, 2021, 9:25 pm

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2021, 5:40 pm

Quote from Jeremy Hill on March 25, 2021, 3:43 pm

You can't write off what he's done over the past 2 seasons as a small sample size while simultaneously judging him for what he did in 70 PAs in 2 years with the Rockies. If we really want to talk about a small sample size, O'Grady and Mateo have a combined 81 PAs at the MLB level and they didn't go well. You're putting a lot of faith in their spring and minor league stats by giving them a bench spot. If we can get the more proven guy and only give up a reliever like Hill that we have someone like Weathers ready to replace I think it's an easy call.

They are all small sample sizes ... I could move on from all of them ... all three (Tauchman, Mateo, and O'Grady) basically were given up on by other organizations for peanuts. Can they provide a useful bench role on a team ... yes ... but not worth giving up much to add them. I just wound not under-estimate the issue with Tauchman being out of options and the potential future of a 4 man bench and him having limited versatility (vs Mateo, Profar, and Kim ... or even Marcano) and then the 2nd catcher.

Side: think the Padres will need BOTH Hill and Weathers during the season from the left side to take a load off the pen much more that the bench upgrade. Both have options ... and coupled with Morejon and Pomeranz ... should cover the LHRP through the probable IL stints in the pen.

The difference is Tauchman has had success at the MLB level since the Rockies gave up on him. Mateo and O'Grady have yet to do so. With what he's done with the Yankees and his minor league track record I feel confident that at a minimum Tauchman can get on base at a solid clip. He can potentially do a lot more than that. Solid springs aside I don't have that confidence in Mateo or O'Grady.

The lack of options hurts, but it's also the reason he's potentially available. Realistically if we go with a 4 man bench and he's performing you wouldn't want to option him anyway. It's also a moot point in comparison to Mateo.

With regards to versatility let's be honest, if Mateo sees any real time in the IF this season something has gone wrong. Mateo's one real advantage is he has the speed to play CF, but he's still not a great defensive OF and I have serious doubts about the bat. If he can't hit he becomes a glorified pinch runner. O'Grady profiles similarly to Tauchman defensively and might have the same offensive potential, but again give me the more proven guy. As is I have serious concerns about our bench from an offensive standpoint. Profar spent as much time hitting below .200 as he did above it last season and has otherwise really only had 1 good year. Kim looks like he still needs time to adjust. I feel good about whoever isn't catching on any given day, but that's it. Even if Profar is hitting well if he has to cover for an injury in the OF for any significant amount of time which seems likely given Pham's history, you lose his versatility if you don't have someone else capable of playing the OF. Add that all up and I would feel a lot better with Tauchman on board than I will with Mateo or O'Grady.

I can sort of get the argument that Hill might be more valuable this year given the increase in workload from last year. Really though I have him as the last man in the pen and that's more about injuries and the fact that he's a lefty than his actual ability. There might be some room for improvement still given his unusual career path, but a 4+ ERA reliever just isn't that exciting to me. I think he's the first one out when our guys that are dealing with minor stuff start coming back. He's maybe our 10th or 11th best reliever and 4th or 5th best lefty if we get all our guys back. I don't know I guess I just feel a lot better about our bullpen depth than I do our OF depth.

With that said I think I'm done on the subject. I had a slow day today and spent way more time on the merits of a hypothetical trade idea than I ever intended to. Thanks for helping me pass the time.

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 26, 2021, 9:11 am

With that said I think I'm done on the subject. I had a slow day today and spent way more time on the merits of a hypothetical trade idea than I ever intended to. Thanks for helping me pass the time.

LOL!  Jeremy, that was such a great finish.   I've found myself down a rabbit hole like that WAY too often with the Padres.