Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 30, 2022, 5:02 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2022, 4:48 pm

Probably means nothing but saw that minor league veteran catcher Jorge Cantù has been moved from SA to EP … zero bat but a plus defensive catcher. Not a prospect but a very good organization player.

What caught my eye was that on the EP roster (MiLB)  the two catchers listed were Sullivan and Cantù … Campusano was listed as the DH. He had been listed as a catcher.

Given that Campusano’s catching  defense has always been in question … is this some clue on how the Padres view Campusano’s future? Also, given that Cantù is a plus defender … and apparently neither Campusano nor Sullivan are … are the Padres adding Cantù to be the receiver for the high potential SP to get them on track … thinking both Weathers and Knehr?

Campusano in LA too..maybe Alfaro to IL (knee) and Cantu taking Campy spot at LE??

 

But yeah Campusano has been listed as DH for over a week now.. so not sure he is a C of the future here in SDP..for now he needs to backup Nola if indeed the call up is more than a taxi cab move

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2022, 5:24 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 30, 2022, 5:02 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2022, 4:48 pm

Probably means nothing but saw that minor league veteran catcher Jorge Cantù has been moved from SA to EP … zero bat but a plus defensive catcher. Not a prospect but a very good organization player.

What caught my eye was that on the EP roster (MiLB)  the two catchers listed were Sullivan and Cantù … Campusano was listed as the DH. He had been listed as a catcher.

Given that Campusano’s catching  defense has always been in question … is this some clue on how the Padres view Campusano’s future? Also, given that Cantù is a plus defender … and apparently neither Campusano nor Sullivan are … are the Padres adding Cantù to be the receiver for the high potential SP to get them on track … thinking both Weathers and Knehr?

Campusano in LA too..maybe Alfaro to IL (knee) and Cantu taking Campy spot at LE??

 

But yeah Campusano has been listed as DH for over a week now.. so not sure he is a C of the future here in SDP..for now he needs to backup Nola if indeed the call up is more than a taxi cab move

The Cantù move was a couple days ago … so before the Alfaro knee issue (I think). But I could see Campusano up for a quick move if Alfaro knee is a real problem.

In EP’s 74 games, Campusano only started 35 at catcher / 7 as the DH … but he did miss some time when called up by the Padres early when Voit was injured … don’t think he was on the IL in EP at any point. Just not the work behind the plate I would expect for a top catching prospect.

He still is thought of as a plus hitter … any chance the ends up as Voit’s replacement as the DH (and 3rd catcher) in 2023 to open CBT space?

Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 30, 2022, 5:58 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2022, 5:24 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 30, 2022, 5:02 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2022, 4:48 pm

Probably means nothing but saw that minor league veteran catcher Jorge Cantù has been moved from SA to EP … zero bat but a plus defensive catcher. Not a prospect but a very good organization player.

What caught my eye was that on the EP roster (MiLB)  the two catchers listed were Sullivan and Cantù … Campusano was listed as the DH. He had been listed as a catcher.

Given that Campusano’s catching  defense has always been in question … is this some clue on how the Padres view Campusano’s future? Also, given that Cantù is a plus defender … and apparently neither Campusano nor Sullivan are … are the Padres adding Cantù to be the receiver for the high potential SP to get them on track … thinking both Weathers and Knehr?

Campusano in LA too..maybe Alfaro to IL (knee) and Cantu taking Campy spot at LE??

 

But yeah Campusano has been listed as DH for over a week now.. so not sure he is a C of the future here in SDP..for now he needs to backup Nola if indeed the call up is more than a taxi cab move

The Cantù move was a couple days ago … so before the Alfaro knee issue (I think). But I could see Campusano up for a quick move if Alfaro knee is a real problem.

In EP’s 74 games, Campusano only started 35 at catcher / 7 as the DH … but he did miss some time when called up by the Padres early when Voit was injured … don’t think he was on the IL in EP at any point. Just not the work behind the plate I would expect for a top catching prospect.

He still is thought of as a plus hitter … any chance the ends up as Voit’s replacement as the DH (and 3rd catcher) in 2023 to open CBT space?

I think a DH is too easy a spot to fill... I think Campusano's value right now comes from his position capable C.. like a young Alfaro .. hit tool + arm strong ..Defense/Receiving poor.. Alfaro has worked really hard on his game and now looks like a legit MLB C /hitter... so another org can dream on Campusano Bat with a Def future evolution ...

With that said Campusano at DH < Campusano as a centerpiece for a Bryan Reynolds ..

Voit can be kept/traded/non tendered/replaced by so many FA to be both expensive JD Mart/Contreras... or cheap.... as well as internal options like Alfaro DH/C... Rooker (AAA) OF/DH... Mexican League recent signing Martin (AAA) 1B/DH could be a real dark horse

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2022, 6:19 pm

Actually Alfaro in his last year in PHIL and first in MIA he graded out a a very good defensive catcher (defense was not his issue) and actually his offense in those years scored out well for a catcher. He seemed to fall apart in MIA (2020-21) offensively and slide a bit defensively.

I think Campusano best value (potentially) is in a trade to a catcher needy team that does not set defense as the top priority. (Note: Melvin does set defense as a priority for a catcher). Of course, we have no idea what other teams think of Campusano as a prospect … so a deal is easy contemplate but may hard to execute for a quality return piece.

So the DH option may be the fallback … and if he can hit that is OK with 6 years control and low cost. Would not rule out 1B as another fallback. So, baring a desirable trade, Campusano hitting as a 1B/DH/ back-up catcher may work as his catching skills develop (or don’t).

However, I would hope to trade him for a quality return piece and not have to wait to see IF he develops as a catcher on a team that hopefully is contending for the playoffs. Re-sign Alfaro … live with Nola as the back-up (low cost and 3 more years control) … and worry about catching in 3-4 years.

Quote from Randy Manese on July 2, 2022, 10:19 am

Somewhat lost in the no-hitter at LE and the bludgeoning of Inland Empire was the catcher that called the game - Juan Zabala.  Zabala just came over to LE a little over two weeks ago and also has been on fire with the bat.  While still a small sample size, it seems like he's a maturing hitter, who as a catcher, is just realizing his potential.  Looks like he has a quick back and good speed for a catcher; it could be he just got lost in a loaded Dodgers system who have had and still do have some excellent catching prospects in the minors.  This should be Zabala's first extended run in the minor leagues since way back in the Dominican Summer League in 2017.  Looks adequate but not superior defensively and has gotten a lot better over the years blocking the ball as the lower number of PB's indicate.

Zabala becomes another one to watch at the high value position and  it looks like we have some decent depth behind Campusano, especially if it is a defense first catcher.  Seagle, our best defensive catcher, has been looking a lot better offensively at San Antonio and while not hitting as much as I'd like to see, Valenzuela is also been very solid defensively at Ft. Wayne and that has been his calling card in the past.  Homza (injured), Sullivan, Vizcarra, Bender and Zabala look like good depth pieces in addition to Fernandez, Rodriguez, Alvarez-Lopez and possibly Linares and Duarte.  Some will be likely be lost in the Rule 5 minor draft or to free agency, but a good problem to have.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on July 2, 2022, 10:32 am

Yeah our system is loaded with depth types and a few top prospect types... good mix of solid depth and dream on specs...

Speaking of Nola (27SB only 4 CS in 2022) that just can't happen now or in postseason...low cost or not...maybe limiting him to Yu only the way fwd with him... thats too many singles/BBs becoming doubles ...

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 2, 2022, 12:32 pm

This depth is why I believe if we make a trade(s) at the deadline Campy may be included.

He has good trade value at a deep position of strength.

I just can’t see trading Hassell,Wood or Ruiz with our need of young cheap outfielders going forward.

 

Quote from fenn68 on July 2, 2022, 2:08 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 2, 2022, 12:32 pm

This depth is why I believe if we make a trade(s) at the deadline Campy may be included.

He has good trade value at a deep position of strength.

I just can’t see trading Hassell,Wood or Ruiz with our need of young cheap outfielders going forward.

 

That matches my thinking plus as much as I love all three for the future of the Padres ... not sure other teams would give that compelling a return piece in a deal. Maybe a good short term player but not much more.

So, Campusano is the best trade bait as a catcher (Top 100) who can hit (projected). Add that Melvin prefers defensive 1st catchers and that is not Campusano.

Need to to see a lot more out of the system catchers from the Padres to think they are ML talent ... even to the back-up level. No one seems near term anyway. That leads me to think we see an Alfaro extension (and hold on to Nola) to cover a few more years until someone emerges. Bottom line most ML catchers are not that compelling offensively ... so if one the Padres prospects can do enough to punch out .200 BA with elite defense might work as the back-up assuming the other positions have hitters. Valenzuela was he breakout last season ... struggling this season but still may be the best bet.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on July 2, 2022, 2:41 pm

Quote from fenn68 on July 2, 2022, 2:08 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 2, 2022, 12:32 pm

This depth is why I believe if we make a trade(s) at the deadline Campy may be included.

He has good trade value at a deep position of strength.

I just can’t see trading Hassell,Wood or Ruiz with our need of young cheap outfielders going forward.

 

That matches my thinking plus as much as I love all three for the future of the Padres ... not sure other teams would give that compelling a return piece in a deal. Maybe a good short term player but not much more.

So, Campusano is the best trade bait as a catcher (Top 100) who can hit (projected). Add that Melvin prefers defensive 1st catchers and that is not Campusano.

Need to to see a lot more out of the system catchers from the Padres to think they are ML talent ... even to the back-up level. No one seems near term anyway. That leads me to think we see an Alfaro extension (and hold on to Nola) to cover a few more years until someone emerges. Bottom line most ML catchers are not that compelling offensively ... so if one the Padres prospects can do enough to punch out .200 BA with elite defense might work as the back-up assuming the other positions have hitters. Valenzuela was he breakout last season ... struggling this season but still may be the best bet.

 

Of all our prospects Future MLB careers.. I am the most intrigued  ..looking foward to

1- Wood CF (freak)

2- Merrill SS (Bigger Crone Zone)

3-Estury Ruiz (his game and newly found approach screams Rickey Henderson lite to me)

 

Reasons why I wouldn't mind using Campusano (current mlb situation) /Mears (reminds me of Voit with speed..K rate is awful..massive power/power potential) and INFers - Rosario/Acosta as trade Chips for controllable +1 +2 or more yrs MLB pkayers.. Merrill also because of MLB situation especially with Tatis back... makes CJ Abrams a Golden trade chip for a Controllable stud..aka Reynolds type/C Kirk (Jays) type...

For Contreras /Happ type guys one rental /one controlled +1 guy... a Ferguson /Ornelas type maybe paired with a 20-30 type spec or even a guy like Lawson makes sense to me...