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#1111 · October 18, 2019, 8:47 am
I asked the same question of David Jay and he stated that international signees start their "clock" on the date of signing, which means almost all of the 2016 signees will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft after their 2020 seasons even if they signed prior to turning 19. Some of the older signees (Ona and Baez, if he hadn't already been brought up in 2019) would be eligible this year. It doesn't matter if they didn't start playing or missed entire seasons due to injury per David.
Hope this helps!
#1112 · October 18, 2019, 9:02 am
Quote from Randy Manese on October 18, 2019, 8:47 amI asked the same question of David Jay and he stated that international signees start their "clock" on the date of signing, which means almost all of the 2016 signees will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft after their 2020 seasons even if they signed prior to turning 19. Some of the older signees (Ona and Baez, if he hadn't already been brought up in 2019) would be eligible this year. It doesn't matter if they didn't start playing or missed entire seasons due to injury per David.
Hope this helps!
Thanks Randy! Keep posting! The more the merrier
#1113 · October 18, 2019, 9:11 am
Quote from Randy Manese on October 18, 2019, 8:47 amI asked the same question of David Jay and he stated that international signees start their "clock" on the date of signing, which means almost all of the 2016 signees will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft after their 2020 seasons even if they signed prior to turning 19. Some of the older signees (Ona and Baez, if he hadn't already been brought up in 2019) would be eligible this year. It doesn't matter if they didn't start playing or missed entire seasons due to injury per David.
Hope this helps!
I think Int'l signings get 6yrs.. And Drafted players 5 before Rule V
#1114 · October 18, 2019, 9:17 am
Quote from Randy Manese on October 18, 2019, 8:47 amI asked the same question of David Jay and he stated that international signees start their "clock" on the date of signing, which means almost all of the 2016 signees will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft after their 2020 seasons even if they signed prior to turning 19. Some of the older signees (Ona and Baez, if he hadn't already been brought up in 2019) would be eligible this year. It doesn't matter if they didn't start playing or missed entire seasons due to injury per David.
Hope this helps!
I know this over thinking this but is there a question as to when they actually sign? In July ... did they agree to sign but the actually signing is lagged (just for this purpose)? If so, how long does the lag need to be ... just until after the minor league season in Sept? January of the next year?
My memory is not all that great but I recall a discussion a few years ago that the "lagged" signing was a thing. Does seem extremely unfair to treat 16 year old Latin players the same as US HS grads at 17-18 ... less incentive to sign in theory (although not stopping teams) and somewhat unfair to teams that put a lot of resources in developing these young kids pre-US only to have a greater risk of losing them early via Rule 5 or even minor league FA.
Not a big issue even though we love prospects .... guessing if the Padres really see any as elite impact potential they will be kept over someone who may help today and take the risk that some of the "nice" prospects get selected via Rule 5. Survival of the fittest with a view to the long haul.
#1115 · October 18, 2019, 11:46 am
MLBTradeRumors just put up a piece saying baseball is moving towards a radical set of changes to minor league baseball as we know it. No details but clearly sounds like something will happen after the 2020 season. Potentially 25% of the current affiliates could be eliminated.
Just guessing this may be an effort to upgrade the pay / conditions for the minor league players while not increasing the cost of running the minor leagues .... basically fewer players with those surviving players being treated better.
The “non-prospects” may be the first casualties ... but even the prospects may have to showcase better / sooner to survive the more concentrated competition.
Options abound with the potential of eliminating all the current leagues and reform affiliations into new leagues. Could see a new league that is created out of AAA/AA ... then AA/A+ ... then A+/A ... three new levels vs. the current four while weeding out the non-prospects at all levels. Hard to see much in the short-season / rookie ball levels.
Development folks will have to make decisions on players quicker with limited roster spots ... in reality probably not all that difficult.
#1116 · October 18, 2019, 2:10 pm
#1117 · October 18, 2019, 3:34 pm
Hi Guys!
Please see Kevin Charity's Farm Report of August 1st 2019, posted on August 2nd. In the Comments, I asked the question I alluded to and it was responded to by David Jay. Don't think anyone is at risk for Rule 5, but some teams could do what the Padres did and stash away a Torrens, Diaz and Cordoba to inject some quality in their farm system. Torrens and Diaz still have a chance to make a MLB team because they have better than average tools and Cordoba, if he hadn't gotten seriously hurt, still could surprise.
Concerning the revamping of the minor leagues, my personal opinion is that it is nuts! The Padres have great minor league facilities below double A and it provides those communities jobs and entertainment that are necessary in smaller town America. The MLB can't afford higher salaries for minor league players - come on!
#1118 · October 18, 2019, 5:09 pm
Agree that the Padres have good facilities but that is not the case across minor league baseball.
In the past couple of years there has been growing discontent about the pay of minor league players (arguably below minimum wage) .... and MLB has a lot of money. One team (forgot which) has unilaterally decided to up pay for their minor league players.
That then expands to how employees should get treated .... besides pay ... with their working conditions. For their well being ... playing on fields, in parks that have better standards .... and travel that is less time consuming ... should help them develop better which benefits the player and the organization (that is their objective).
If I am interpreting this correctly, there will still be the four full season league plus a team “complex” that focuses on skills development rather than games. For player development that may be better for those drafted in the current year. Just as now the best progress into low A.
Yes, not good for the small towns of the short season leagues but if it is better for the kids (players) maybe that is a trade off that is needed. The biggest angst will come from any AAA city that gets relegated to A ball status (could be from attendance, facilities, etc.) while some cities will rejoice from being elevated a level (or two).
An issue for the West Coast teams is that there are not a lot of geographically clustered cities in the West to create a farm network that achieves the ease of travel objective ... not sure enough to effectively align the CAL League and the PCL to match with the West Coast teams without some real forced management. Finding nearby homes for affiliates of Seattle, Oakland, SF, LAD, LAA, SD, and Arizona is possible in the CAL League (SD in LE would work) but more difficult in the PCL (difficult enough that EP still may work). AMA may still work for the AA since no AA leagues will be closer.
Fort Wayne may be the interesting one. Great facility ... attendance ... could (should) be a candidate for moving up from low A to at least high A (if not AA).
For me first is what is best for the players.
#1119 · October 22, 2019, 12:22 pm
A Padre Top 30 watch candidate ... Logan Driscoll.
Driscoll is a LHH C/OF drafted in 2019 (Comp Round B ... #73 overall) out of George Mason University. At first look thought he was decent (was in the Top 200 on MLB but closer to the 200 spot) but more an under slot option for other over slot signings.
However, he showed well in Tri-Cities in 2019 and apparently showed the Padres enough to take the big leap of running him up to the AZ Fall League. He is showing well there. That is all very encouraging for his future ... especially if he can develop as a catcher or even as a back-up catcher / OF who hits LH. Years out ... but worth keeping an eye out.
If he slots into FW with Hunt (who finished 2019 strong) in LE, Campusano (outstanding in 2019) in AMA, and Torrens (or Allen) in EP ... Padres are stacked at catcher for either their own future or setting up some very desirable trade chips in a world that lacks quality catching.
Have to give the scouting folks kudos for their ability to ID plus catchers who can hit after the 1st round ...
#1120 · October 22, 2019, 1:13 pm
I am sure that there are a lot of jealous teams who are eyeing our catching depth and thinking of making us offers. I have seen on a couple of forums where people want Hedges just for his defense and because they expect they can get him essentially for free. Many more want Mejia and especially Campusano. It is just really good to see other teams finally jealous of what we have.