Quote from fenn68 on August 12, 2022, 9:04 am

Don't see the upside in dealing Cronenworth ... he is a plus at 2B (and should stay there) but even more so he has 3 years control and in ARB 1 ... which he should be low cost which is important to the Padres roster design.

On the other side ... not sure the Padres would get enough ML value back in any deal. 2B are not the most valued trade piece and other than the Padre fans ... not sure any other team projects him as a regular SS (or not willing to pay for the gamble).

 

Quote from fenn68 on August 12, 2022, 9:12 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 12, 2022, 9:03 am

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Quote from Jeremy Hill on August 12, 2022, 8:20 am

I think Martinez can probably do better on the open market from a team that believes in him as a starter. Decent backend starters seem to be able to find 3 year deals in the high 20s to low 30s pretty reliably. He also has incentives tied to making 20 starts a year in his current contract. He might not be happy about being moved to the bullpen and may want a deal with more guaranteed.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's brought back, but I would be somewhat surprised if he exercises his option.

Plus Martinez is healthy ... we have seen some pitchers getting signed to bigger guaranteed deals when injured and clearly with poor performance.

At $6.5MM Martinez is probably someone the Padres want given the status of the #4-5 SP going into the winter (remember the opt in / buyout decision happens right after the season before FA deals are made).

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In the same vein ... the idea that re-signing Clevinger could be done on the cheap is very unlikely. Maybe do one will give him a long term deal with his injury history BUT given how he has performed a shorter / higher AAV deal seems probable for some team.

With the Padres concern about the CBT going forward ... high AAV for Martinez, Clevinger, et. al starts to build up if they are also looking at Profar and Bell.

Are we assuming CBT concerns or are we the new BoSox? Spend a lot just not as much as the Biggest spender in our Division (NYY for them LAD for us)

You mean the last place (AL East) with a losing record Boston Red Sox and a $233MM (over threshold) CBT payroll?

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 12, 2022, 10:08 am

Quote from fenn68 on August 12, 2022, 9:12 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 12, 2022, 9:03 am

Quote from fenn68 on August 12, 2022, 8:56 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on August 12, 2022, 8:20 am

I think Martinez can probably do better on the open market from a team that believes in him as a starter. Decent backend starters seem to be able to find 3 year deals in the high 20s to low 30s pretty reliably. He also has incentives tied to making 20 starts a year in his current contract. He might not be happy about being moved to the bullpen and may want a deal with more guaranteed.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's brought back, but I would be somewhat surprised if he exercises his option.

Plus Martinez is healthy ... we have seen some pitchers getting signed to bigger guaranteed deals when injured and clearly with poor performance.

At $6.5MM Martinez is probably someone the Padres want given the status of the #4-5 SP going into the winter (remember the opt in / buyout decision happens right after the season before FA deals are made).

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In the same vein ... the idea that re-signing Clevinger could be done on the cheap is very unlikely. Maybe do one will give him a long term deal with his injury history BUT given how he has performed a shorter / higher AAV deal seems probable for some team.

With the Padres concern about the CBT going forward ... high AAV for Martinez, Clevinger, et. al starts to build up if they are also looking at Profar and Bell.

Are we assuming CBT concerns or are we the new BoSox? Spend a lot just not as much as the Biggest spender in our Division (NYY for them LAD for us)

You mean the last place (AL East) with a losing record Boston Red Sox and a $233MM (over threshold) CBT payroll?

Yup.. but our $$ allocation and Star $$ distribution is much younger and much > than theirs

As is our Farm system (even after the trades)

Quote from fenn68 on August 12, 2022, 7:37 pm

I wonder how the Tatis situation may alter Preller’s moves in the offseason?

Not so much about the 30 games Tatis is scheduled to miss (but that is a factor) … more the potential of  heightening the concern about Tatis’ availability over the past few years and will that continue to be an issue. Tatis has consistently lost major time due to different injuries (even in his last MiL season) and although we focus on the motorcycle injury … have to be concerned that too resulted in a broken bone. Tatis is getting the image of fragile body resulting in long absences.

If the Padres plan to contend … can they rely on Tatis for the season even after the suspension. They dealt Abrams and Rosario is only a prospect (not really a ML SS). They may have to keep Kim and Cronenworth to protect the middle INF.

Do the Padres push Tatis to the OF (less chance of injury) or have the three all play in some sort of DH/1B rotation?

Preller’s confidence on Tatis has to be low and need to protect the team is critical.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 12, 2022, 8:08 pm

Quote from fenn68 on August 12, 2022, 7:37 pm

I wonder how the Tatis situation may alter Preller’s moves in the offseason?

Not so much about the 30 games Tatis is scheduled to miss (but that is a factor) … more the potential of  heightening the concern about Tatis’ availability over the past few years and will that continue to be an issue. Tatis has consistently lost major time due to different injuries (even in his last MiL season) and although we focus on the motorcycle injury … have to be concerned that too resulted in a broken bone. Tatis is getting the image of fragile body resulting in long absences.

If the Padres plan to contend … can they rely on Tatis for the season even after the suspension. They dealt Abrams and Rosario is only a prospect (not really a ML SS). They may have to keep Kim and Cronenworth to protect the middle INF.

Do the Padres push Tatis to the OF (less chance of injury) or have the three all play in some sort of DH/1B rotation?

Preller’s confidence on Tatis has to be low and need to protect the team is critical.

Well in my opinion Tatis lost all ability to say or call where he plays after this . So he plays where he is told to play..period end of story

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 12, 2022, 8:18 pm

DRURY is an RBI machine... I think we keep him vs Bell .. cheaper ..younger and I love his bat.  1B/2B/3B/DH versatility too... (if it comes to Bell or Drury)... I think we can keep Profar + Drury for = or < vs Bell and we should..

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Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 12, 2022, 8:18 pm

DRURY is an RBI machine... I think we keep him vs Bell .. cheaper ..younger and I love his bat.  1B/2B/3B/DH versatility too... (if it comes to Bell or Drury)... I think we can keep Profar + Drury for = or < vs Bell and we should..

I would love it if we could keep 1 of the 3. If we can my hope would be Drury. He can be our starting 1B. I'm sure they will end up whoever turns out to be cheapest.

Put Tatis in the OF. Don't ask him, tell him. No more privileged status.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 13, 2022, 4:37 am

Tatis and Grish to Pirates for CF Reynolds + Bednar ..  get it done in the offseason AJP... tbh Garcia and Tatis would be fun in Pitt.. Reynolds fits our team better from a defense/Offense/position perspective ..

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 13, 2022, 8:43 am

Couple guys that might have a role to play in 2023

SP Wolf (A+) 6IP last night 10k and 1 BB...could get a couple of AA starts to end the year ..and see where that goes in ST/the 2023 season... he has arguably the best arm amongst our top level AA/AAA options at this moment Wethers/Khner/Groome... he is also very Raw 2021 draftee..draftees...i see him as borderline top 10 for us as soon as next update of top 30 specs

Kowhley 1B/CF/OF an interesting position flex guy..older spec but all he does is hit hit hit. One of the best pure hitters in AAA (both leagues)..lacks pop but his metrics are off the charts everywhere else...