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#2131 · December 15, 2022, 11:25 am
Quote from BoosterSD on December 15, 2022, 11:02 amQuote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 10:48 am
Why I was bringing up the MArlins.
Or even Kim to play SS the next 2 seasons AND Merrill and another prospect.
That would at least give their fans a starting level SS to pair with Jazz for the next couple years until Merrill is ready.
BUT, most every other contender,many with better systems w/ closer to the majors prospects,will also be in on their guys.
I want a WS championship in the next 3 years...those prospects won't have any impact on that.
I dont think that MIA would want Kim, as he would waste away prior to them being ready. I still think the best fit of a trade of Kim is to MIN, and we get Arraez, place him at 1B, and keep Crone at 2B. Or a mega trade with ATL.
Then get Berti and Lopez/Luzardo/Cabrera for prospects. And if we have enough left, still see if we could get Fried out of ATL.
Lets just hope that CHC sign Swanson, and leave MIN and ATL holding an empty SS bag, then SD can get the two to bid against each other for Kim.
I get that.....but I know a few Marlins fans who are fed up with them not even trying to win right now.
If they trade a TOR Starter just for prospects things will get even worse.
They gotta at least field a major league team or they may as well trade Jazz Chisholm too.As it is they are "wasting" a few seasons of very inexpensive quality starting pitching too.
Has to be especially tough now after what Atl/Phi/NYM are doing.
#2132 · December 15, 2022, 11:29 am
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 11:21 am
I have to think there's a .5% chance Atlanta is trading Fried.
Not sure where or why all those rumors popped up but it makes zero sense.
Morton will be gone after this season....why trade you LH Ace who makes $12 mil?
It wasnt me!! 🙂
I'm just expanding on them!! ;P
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#2133 · December 15, 2022, 11:30 am
Quote from sportwarrior on December 15, 2022, 10:37 amOf the remaining FAs, I could handle Wacha, Cueto, or Kluber as additions in order of preference. I also feel we'll end up with Lugo on some kind of creative deal. I also am starting to feel as though we should just dangle whatever farm material we have left to land some young controllable starting pitching. This is our absolute all-in year, so let's go all-in. We can't afford to leave our staff short handed.
The problem with Lugo is that is not a SP ... good RP ... not sure where he would fit in the Padres' pen and who gets bumped. Plus given a good pen now ... not sure that is where I would put my money.
Kluber, Cueto, and Wacha all have plus and minus issues but most projections have them similar in 2023 ... so many unknowns ... I would just go for the lowest contract.
#2134 · December 15, 2022, 11:41 am
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 10:28 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on December 15, 2022, 7:28 amQuote from fenn68 on December 15, 2022, 7:19 amGetting no sense of any serious bidders on Benintendi or Conforto ... interest yes but no push to sign. Unclear what they are holding out to get which could be part of the hold-up. Early projections had Benintendi on a 4 year deal (that could be a issue) and about $14MM per. On Conforto a real unknown having not played last year ... Boras the agent ... need for a year to reestablish his value.
Sort of between those two as the top of the LHH OF market. Benintendi is the more sure thing for 2023 but Conforto has the better upside if you like power. At what difference in price does the gamble on Conforto make more sense than Benintendi. IF Benintendi is $56MM/4 years, would Conforto at $12MM (with incentives and 2024 option) become a better signing considering the risk? How HIGH would you go on Conforto to consider the deal equal value / risk to the $56MM/4 for Benintendi?
If Comforto is willing to sign a 1 yr deal to " re-establish" value Petco and SD should be his 30th choice... Cimcy/Pitt and/or Colorado a top of his list...
Except they have no need to sign a guy just for 1 year for him to gain his value back and leave.
Depends on the contract and the team's view of his health. Padres need a LHH to play the OF / DH to compete for the 2023 playoffs ... alternatives at his skill level are limited. Worry about 2024 next winter.
Price ... price ... price and health ... health ... health and risk ... risk ... risk. Juggle those three and if it looks good sign him for the one year.
However, even in his current state ... Boras will push for (and likely get) a bigger contract than fits the Padres.
Padres at this point are more in the Gamel / D.Smith zone for gambles ... they still cost money ... while still having money for that next SP.
#2135 · December 15, 2022, 11:47 am
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 11:21 amQuote from BoosterSD on December 15, 2022, 10:48 amQuote from sportwarrior on December 15, 2022, 10:37 amOf the remaining FAs, I could handle Wacha, Cueto, or Kluber as additions in order of preference. I also feel we'll end up with Lugo on some kind of creative deal. I also am starting to feel as though we should just dangle whatever farm material we have left to land some young controllable starting pitching. This is our absolute all-in year, so let's go all-in. We can't afford to leave our staff short handed.
In consideration to this, let me propose this trade and signings.
SD gets D'Arnaud and Fried. ATL gets Kim, Nola, Merrill, Lesko, and Zavala.
Then we sign Wacha, Brantley, Myers, Cesar Hernandez, and Barnhart.
Our rotation is Darvish, Fried, Musgrove, Snell, Wacha, Martinez.
Crone stays at 2B, Brantley/Myers split 1B/DH, and Hernandez and Barnhart upgrade our bench
I have to think there's a .5% chance Atlanta is trading Fried.
Not sure where or why all those rumors popped up but it makes zero sense.
Morton will be gone after this season....why trade you LH Ace who makes $12 mil?
Probably less than a 0.5% chance of dealing Fried now. It stems from a belief Atlanta will not be able (or willing) to sign Fried to an extension and don't what to lose him with nothing in return as with Freeman and Swanson. Tie that with a pretty strong SP group at the ML / and AAA level.
Throw a feeler out there and see if they can get a Soto type haul for someone.
Probably this will be resurfacing next winter.
#2136 · December 15, 2022, 12:45 pm
Quote from fenn68 on December 15, 2022, 11:41 amQuote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 10:28 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on December 15, 2022, 7:28 amQuote from fenn68 on December 15, 2022, 7:19 amGetting no sense of any serious bidders on Benintendi or Conforto ... interest yes but no push to sign. Unclear what they are holding out to get which could be part of the hold-up. Early projections had Benintendi on a 4 year deal (that could be a issue) and about $14MM per. On Conforto a real unknown having not played last year ... Boras the agent ... need for a year to reestablish his value.
Sort of between those two as the top of the LHH OF market. Benintendi is the more sure thing for 2023 but Conforto has the better upside if you like power. At what difference in price does the gamble on Conforto make more sense than Benintendi. IF Benintendi is $56MM/4 years, would Conforto at $12MM (with incentives and 2024 option) become a better signing considering the risk? How HIGH would you go on Conforto to consider the deal equal value / risk to the $56MM/4 for Benintendi?
If Comforto is willing to sign a 1 yr deal to " re-establish" value Petco and SD should be his 30th choice... Cimcy/Pitt and/or Colorado a top of his list...
Except they have no need to sign a guy just for 1 year for him to gain his value back and leave.
Depends on the contract and the team's view of his health. Padres need a LHH to play the OF / DH to compete for the 2023 playoffs ... alternatives at his skill level are limited. Worry about 2024 next winter.
Price ... price ... price and health ... health ... health and risk ... risk ... risk. Juggle those three and if it looks good sign him for the one year.
However, even in his current state ... Boras will push for (and likely get) a bigger contract than fits the Padres.
Padres at this point are more in the Gamel / D.Smith zone for gambles ... they still cost money ... while still having money for that next SP.
No this was about Conforto being better off going to Cin/Pit/Col on a 1 yr deal to regain value.
Sure that would be great for Conforto...I just don't see any advantage for those franchises to pay him to play for them to gain his own value back just to leave.They aren't competing with him....so they don't have any incentive to sign him to a 1 yr deal.
#2137 · December 15, 2022, 1:05 pm
Quote from fenn68 on December 15, 2022, 11:47 amQuote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 11:21 amQuote from BoosterSD on December 15, 2022, 10:48 amQuote from sportwarrior on December 15, 2022, 10:37 amOf the remaining FAs, I could handle Wacha, Cueto, or Kluber as additions in order of preference. I also feel we'll end up with Lugo on some kind of creative deal. I also am starting to feel as though we should just dangle whatever farm material we have left to land some young controllable starting pitching. This is our absolute all-in year, so let's go all-in. We can't afford to leave our staff short handed.
In consideration to this, let me propose this trade and signings.
SD gets D'Arnaud and Fried. ATL gets Kim, Nola, Merrill, Lesko, and Zavala.
Then we sign Wacha, Brantley, Myers, Cesar Hernandez, and Barnhart.
Our rotation is Darvish, Fried, Musgrove, Snell, Wacha, Martinez.
Crone stays at 2B, Brantley/Myers split 1B/DH, and Hernandez and Barnhart upgrade our bench
I have to think there's a .5% chance Atlanta is trading Fried.
Not sure where or why all those rumors popped up but it makes zero sense.
Morton will be gone after this season....why trade you LH Ace who makes $12 mil?
Probably less than a 0.5% chance of dealing Fried now. It stems from a belief Atlanta will not be able (or willing) to sign Fried to an extension and don't what to lose him with nothing in return as with Freeman and Swanson. Tie that with a pretty strong SP group at the ML / and AAA level.
Throw a feeler out there and see if they can get a Soto type haul for someone.
Probably this will be resurfacing next winter.
The people who think the Braves will trade Fried while trying to compete are the same ones who think the Padres will trade Tatis practically for free while trying to compete just to save money. These articles are just written for clicks.
#2138 · December 15, 2022, 1:27 pm
I just saw a Braves trade proposal using the Trade simulator and it came out almost exactly even.
It was Musgrove/Darvish/Tatis/Soto for Harris/Grissom/Lee....
LOL
Harris having the most value by a mile due to his contract and control but really?
Trade simulator my a$$
To be fair the Braves fan that did this wasn't saying it was an even deal...just that the simulator says that it was.
#2139 · December 15, 2022, 1:39 pm
Just from a 2024 perspective... with only Joe and Martinez singed beyond 2023.. I think it's imperative we sign a SP on a 3 + yr deal ..even if it's a mid rotation guy (not Eovaldi or Rodon).. and soon... Extending Yu and having ONE of Avila/Groome/Wethers/Poppen/etc.. nail down SP #5 or #6 would be epic...
For 2023 Teheran being Teheran would be epic ..even if he leaves for >$$ in 2024
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#2140 · December 15, 2022, 1:56 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 12:45 pmQuote from fenn68 on December 15, 2022, 11:41 amQuote from MrPadre19 on December 15, 2022, 10:28 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on December 15, 2022, 7:28 amQuote from fenn68 on December 15, 2022, 7:19 amGetting no sense of any serious bidders on Benintendi or Conforto ... interest yes but no push to sign. Unclear what they are holding out to get which could be part of the hold-up. Early projections had Benintendi on a 4 year deal (that could be a issue) and about $14MM per. On Conforto a real unknown having not played last year ... Boras the agent ... need for a year to reestablish his value.
Sort of between those two as the top of the LHH OF market. Benintendi is the more sure thing for 2023 but Conforto has the better upside if you like power. At what difference in price does the gamble on Conforto make more sense than Benintendi. IF Benintendi is $56MM/4 years, would Conforto at $12MM (with incentives and 2024 option) become a better signing considering the risk? How HIGH would you go on Conforto to consider the deal equal value / risk to the $56MM/4 for Benintendi?
If Comforto is willing to sign a 1 yr deal to " re-establish" value Petco and SD should be his 30th choice... Cimcy/Pitt and/or Colorado a top of his list...
Except they have no need to sign a guy just for 1 year for him to gain his value back and leave.
Depends on the contract and the team's view of his health. Padres need a LHH to play the OF / DH to compete for the 2023 playoffs ... alternatives at his skill level are limited. Worry about 2024 next winter.
Price ... price ... price and health ... health ... health and risk ... risk ... risk. Juggle those three and if it looks good sign him for the one year.
However, even in his current state ... Boras will push for (and likely get) a bigger contract than fits the Padres.
Padres at this point are more in the Gamel / D.Smith zone for gambles ... they still cost money ... while still having money for that next SP.
No this was about Conforto being better off going to Cin/Pit/Col on a 1 yr deal to regain value.
Sure that would be great for Conforto...I just don't see any advantage for those franchises to pay him to play for them to gain his own value back just to leave.They aren't competing with him....so they don't have any incentive to sign him to a 1 yr deal.
Agree from Conforto’s perspective would think a hitters’ park and insurance of playing every day … and (almost) agree that those bottom dwelling teams are not going to pay much to give him that privilege.
However, IF Conforto accepted a really low 2023 salary … a team like CINN could use him to generate some hype for the fans but more importantly they may have a nice trade chip at the deadline. Basically, pay a few million for 2/3 of a season and that becomes the cost of getting a prospect.
The wild card is whether any team is offering any decent money. His 1 year price could be very appealing to a lot of teams if it drops low enough … contenders and non-contenders alike.