Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2022, 5:38 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 30, 2022, 5:00 pm

Any clue if Katel Marte (for CF) could be acquired ..he is signed long term at very affordable $$$ he is 29 going to be 30 next season ..most of the current AZ players won't be around as the team reloads/competes... should #1 AZ make him available and #2 should the Padres trade for this Padres killer... AZ could absorb plenty of $$ salaries in a return as it is below $85mil in payroll...

For me Hassell + Wethers + Rosario + Lamet + Knerr might be a package that could get it done..or at least the Convo starter....thoughts?

Not out of the question … 5 years of control (about a $13MM AAV) which is good for his offensive production.

The only current question I have on Marte (and that shapes how much I would give to get him) … was that he had a great offensive / defensive 2019 as a CF but he offense is still good but not to the 2019 level (power is gone with the changes in the ball) and, most worrisome, was his CF defense went for plus to a big minus in 2021 and now is at 2B where he is also defensively poor.

I have the feeling he would not be a fit in CF and Padres don’t need a 2B … but does his bat carry him either in RF or DH (if they dump Voit)?

Given how I see the current version of Marte … would probably not lead a deal with Hassell (or any of the top 5 padre prospects).

Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 30, 2022, 5:47 pm

Yeah I thought his offense was great at CF in 2019 as was his D and I saw 2022 decline more based on 2B and how poorly he has been there... sort of a reverse Ruiz (AAA) and our very own Profar whereas getting off the dirt and into the grass corresponded to both having great years (breakout yrs some may argue ..especially in Estury's case).. my thought was maybe Marte = the same... but now that you bring up 2021..I see the decline in CF.. probably not worth the prospect haul as LF/RF as Profar and Mazara doing quite well so far in 22...  Back to the drawing board.. 😆

Quote from Henry Silvestre on July 2, 2022, 4:10 am

Add C to our needs...Alfaro is great...BUT  Nola has now allowed something like 27 SB in 31 tries... thats 27 BBs /Singles that have become doubles.   Not good in post season... not good anytime really... if Yu is comfortable with Nola keep 3 C.. have Nola C Yu..PH/DH.. (he is clutch with risp..would be a nice PH..off the bench late in close situations)... Contreras or 1 of the 3 Jays C.. Hell Snell for 1 of them C in Toronto would be a deal I would explore today...Snell trade value went up a lot last night..dont waste the Sell High oppo... I cant for the life of me feel comfortable when he starts... but he does OWN the LAD...further sales point for AJP when negotiating with post season WS hopefuls like Jays and NYY... Personally I'd rather take my chances with Mus/Manea/Yu and Sunshine in post season with Gore and Martinez in long relief...especially if as expected we have an influx of BP arms incoming

Quote from fenn68 on July 2, 2022, 11:14 am

Going to be some difficult calls on priorities for upgrades at the trade deadline … somewhat constrained by who is really available on the market (and for what price) … Padres only have so many appealing trade chip and they can be only used once while other teams are also bidding.

Upgrade C - DH - 1B - CF - RF - RP and that assumes Tatis returns effectively.

Preller as 4 weeks to assess the potential impact of the return of Tatis and Myers along with the development of Abrams / Kim at the ML level. Also, time to consider the potential impact of calling up Ruiz (CF) or Campusano (C/DH). All COULD impact who Preller seeks to add or potentially trade at the deadline.

I am beginning to be more concerned about the RP … Suarez, Pomeranz, and Johnson MAY return and MAY be effective but looking that all three may be down to the trade deadline wire … rely on them, deal current RP, seek RP help? Stammen and Hill are looking over the hill … I expected more from them but not happening. Could be be the the cusp of the return of Lamet … doing well in EP?

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on July 2, 2022, 11:56 am

Quote from fenn68 on July 2, 2022, 11:14 am

Going to be some difficult calls on priorities for upgrades at the trade deadline … somewhat constrained by who is really available on the market (and for what price) … Padres only have so many appealing trade chip and they can be only used once while other teams are also bidding.

Upgrade C - DH - 1B - CF - RF - RP and that assumes Tatis returns effectively.

Preller as 4 weeks to assess the potential impact of the return of Tatis and Myers along with the development of Abrams / Kim at the ML level. Also, time to consider the potential impact of calling up Ruiz (CF) or Campusano (C/DH). All COULD impact who Preller seeks to add or potentially trade at the deadline.

I am beginning to be more concerned about the RP … Suarez, Pomeranz, and Johnson MAY return and MAY be effective but looking that all three may be down to the trade deadline wire … rely on them, deal current RP, seek RP help? Stammen and Hill are looking over the hill … I expected more from them but not happening. Could be be the the cusp of the return of Lamet … doing well in EP?

 

The thing with Lamet is next call up he basically runs out of options and then we are stuck with him..cant really DFA him cause of the $$ he is making ...also an arb decision on him in offseason... I think Lamet will be traded and soon... I'd rather see what Castillo can do as well as Baez right now.. and move Stanmen/Hill or both as Steve Wilson gets ready to come back.. I also thrust Reiss K and Knerr more than I do Hill and Stanmen atm... both have a little value left so AJP can pry away some 17-18yr old way down the minors lotto ticket for each...Lamet has a little more value because of what he has done... I am not opposed to a Gallo for Hill type swap with NYY if they pick up most of Gallos $$..banking on a change of scenery  rebirth from Gallo

Quote from fenn68 on July 2, 2022, 1:30 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on July 2, 2022, 11:56 am

Quote from fenn68 on July 2, 2022, 11:14 am

Going to be some difficult calls on priorities for upgrades at the trade deadline … somewhat constrained by who is really available on the market (and for what price) … Padres only have so many appealing trade chip and they can be only used once while other teams are also bidding.

Upgrade C - DH - 1B - CF - RF - RP and that assumes Tatis returns effectively.

Preller as 4 weeks to assess the potential impact of the return of Tatis and Myers along with the development of Abrams / Kim at the ML level. Also, time to consider the potential impact of calling up Ruiz (CF) or Campusano (C/DH). All COULD impact who Preller seeks to add or potentially trade at the deadline.

I am beginning to be more concerned about the RP … Suarez, Pomeranz, and Johnson MAY return and MAY be effective but looking that all three may be down to the trade deadline wire … rely on them, deal current RP, seek RP help? Stammen and Hill are looking over the hill … I expected more from them but not happening. Could be be the the cusp of the return of Lamet … doing well in EP?

 

The thing with Lamet is next call up he basically runs out of options and then we are stuck with him..cant really DFA him cause of the $$ he is making ...also an arb decision on him in offseason... I think Lamet will be traded and soon... I'd rather see what Castillo can do as well as Baez right now.. and move Stanmen/Hill or both as Steve Wilson gets ready to come back.. I also thrust Reiss K and Knerr more than I do Hill and Stanmen atm... both have a little value left so AJP can pry away some 17-18yr old way down the minors lotto ticket for each...Lamet has a little more value because of what he has done... I am not opposed to a Gallo for Hill type swap with NYY if they pick up most of Gallos $$..banking on a change of scenery  rebirth from Gallo

On Lamet ... think he had two option years going into 2022 ... Padres optioned him in May (?) but like any other 40 man out on option can be called up / sent down as needed in that year. Plus if the data is right he could be optioned next year too. Given his salary ... that is not likely but possible. Also, the longer they keep him in the minors, they can extend control an additional year through 2024 ... that is also not likely given his salary.

No real issue in dealing Lamet or Hill or Stammen but don't expect to get anything of significance in return (mid-range prospect type). Only a contender would be interested (maybe) so not depleting anyone off the active roster that would help.

Two debate points for the Padres given no major return in a deal ... who would you rather have on the staff going down the stretch and how much do you value reducing payroll (Lamet / Stammen are pretty close). Of course, some team would actually want one of them ... that is not a given.

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Just listened to a discussion on the NYY pursuing an OF because of the total failures of Hicks and Gallo.

Sounds as though there would be a chance once the NYY get their replacement OF ... they DFA Gallo (FA to be) ... given his salary and performance no one will claim him ... and some team (Padres?) could potentially sign him a a prorated league minimum.

Depending on Preller moves at the deadline ... could happen but if Prefer is "interested" expect a winter FA signing approach and given his performance over the past two years ... probably a short / low salary deal to "rebuild" value.

For the record, not a fan of Gallo's approach (which he seems to refuse to modify).

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on July 3, 2022, 4:52 am

What would a package for Santander (controlled 2 1/2)  look like

Mears + Acosta + Lamet (to offset $$)

 

What about Hays (my preference because of CF)

Hassell III + Acosta + Wethers + Stanmen (to offset $$)

Happ (1 1/2 control)

Similar to Santander cause > better than Santander but - 1yr control

 

I am onboard here.. we need to upgrade our POWER grid.

I throw that out there right now and see if I can truly get a full 1/2 season NOW as opposed to 35% of a season for 2022 at the deadline... plus have our pick of the litter vs competing with others for thus guys

Quote from 3fingersplit on July 3, 2022, 8:02 am

Henry....Do you really think that any of the guys you mentioned put this team over the top ?

The problem this team has always had is that they DO NOT develop their own players.....you want to compete with the Dodgers then do what they do....develop your own players and add the piece that puts you over the top but for crying out loud don't mortgage the future of this team for ANYBODY you have mentioned.....none of them move the needle in relation to what you want to give up.

OH yeah.....Trea Turner and Max Fried come to mind and we got what for them.....I'll wait

Quote from Henry Silvestre on July 3, 2022, 8:17 am

Quote from 3fingersplit on July 3, 2022, 8:02 am

Henry....Do you really think that any of the guys you mentioned put this team over the top ?

The problem this team has always had is that they DO NOT develop their own players.....you want to compete with the Dodgers then do what they do....develop your own players and add the piece that puts you over the top but for crying out loud don't mortgage the future of this team for ANYBODY you have mentioned.....none of them move the needle in relation to what you want to give up.

OH yeah.....Trea Turner and Max Fried come to mind and we got what for them.....I'll wait

Lets not go into Tramell and France for Nola now.. I was feeling good this morning... 😆