Quote from Randy Manese on November 21, 2019, 4:27 pm

Milwaukee will be in an interesting place in 2020 losing both Grandal and Moose.  They get Yelich back but outside of their middle infield and Yelich they are not built for the long term.  In fact, the SP is questionable and farm system in the lower quadrant of MLB teams.  Reminds me of the Angels but with less cash and less talent in the minors.  I don't see Hedges as being on the top of their list of things to do to get into the playoffs again.  In fact, I don't think they will despite Yelich, Hiura, Arcia, Cain and Thames.  Now if they want to trade Hiura for a package of prospects including a couple of starting pitchers, that would interest me.

Quote from TatisJr on November 21, 2019, 4:34 pm

I think both Austin’s get moved this offseason. I think there are plenty of teams that could use catching help and that seems to be an area of some depth for Padres. Contreras, McCann, Hedges and possibly Salvador Perez are starting catchers available in trade. The Astros, Rangers, Angels, Brewers, Yankees, Nats could all use catching help. Now with Grandal off the board, I’d imagine multiple teams are in touch with the Padres about their group of young catchers.

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 21, 2019, 4:43 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on November 21, 2019, 12:53 pm

Are we competing for a playoff spot in 2020 or not? Are we trading prospects for proven major leaguers or are we relying on low level prospects to perform? We cannot trade our only reliable centerfielder without already having a replacement on the roster. If we do get a replacement, it is going to be Olivares who comes up as a defensive replacement. Our 40-man roster spots are as valuable as gold right now aren't they? Olivares is already on it, Gettys is not. Gettys had one halfway decent year. That is all. Shall we compare Gettys career year to Margot's career minor league numbers? Margot averaged .25 points higher BA, .10 points higher OBP, twice the stolen base rate and half the strikeout rate of Gettys career best year. Do you want to see those numbers at the ml level next year?

If you guys are referring to me maybe read my comment again?

Gettys as a platoon CF’r was contingent on two other things.

Trading Margot as part of a serious upgrade elsewhere......AND a LH hitting CF’r who gets on base at a .340 clip or higher.

In these instances Getty’s would only be getting 250 AB’s  and we would have improved elsewhere moving Margot who,while a good defender,is part of our below average offensive issue,

Where do you all expect to improve our offense if it isn’t CF or 2B?

Are you assuming we are able to move Myers?

Are you kicking Renfroe to the curb?

Or do you think we are miraculously gonna become a great offense without changing anyone?

 

Quote from Cptjack on November 21, 2019, 4:53 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 20, 2019, 12:33 pm

Don't you think the 2 combined...Margot only against LH and Inciarte only against RH would produce 2.5-3.0 WAR?

It's not about whether they produce 3WAR together. Its the fact that they do it for a combined 10m. You can most assuredly get there without the $8m to Inciarte. The positional adjustment is just that steep and creates a higher baseline production requirement. You can pretty much put any defensive minded guy out there for 700 innings and get 1WAR.

It's like the Hunter Renfroe vs Wil Myers thing from a year ago just less drastic. Do you pay 2.6m for 2.6WAR or 10m for 3WAR?

Quote from BoosterSD on November 21, 2019, 6:59 pm

Quote from TatisJr on November 21, 2019, 2:58 pm

Sorry Booster, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth about Margot. It was more of a generalization about fans feelings of Margot. I just think he is undervalued by the fan base and here because he hasn’t lived up to All Star type expectations. I think he’s a very useful player and in a ballpark where his skill set is needed. Perhaps Olivares becomes Margots replacement, but I just haven’t seen where Gettys can be that guy. I have TT as LF in 2021 and being the Padres version of Carl Crawford.

T Jr, its all good. You are respectful to others opinions here and I dont mind fun banter back and forth when discussing our team. We simply have different ideas on how Margot best helps the team going forward.

Quote from JasonE135 on November 21, 2019, 7:19 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 21, 2019, 4:43 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on November 21, 2019, 12:53 pm

Are we competing for a playoff spot in 2020 or not? Are we trading prospects for proven major leaguers or are we relying on low level prospects to perform? We cannot trade our only reliable centerfielder without already having a replacement on the roster. If we do get a replacement, it is going to be Olivares who comes up as a defensive replacement. Our 40-man roster spots are as valuable as gold right now aren't they? Olivares is already on it, Gettys is not. Gettys had one halfway decent year. That is all. Shall we compare Gettys career year to Margot's career minor league numbers? Margot averaged .25 points higher BA, .10 points higher OBP, twice the stolen base rate and half the strikeout rate of Gettys career best year. Do you want to see those numbers at the ml level next year?

If you guys are referring to me maybe read my comment again?

Gettys as a platoon CF’r was contingent on two other things.

Trading Margot as part of a serious upgrade elsewhere......AND a LH hitting CF’r who gets on base at a .340 clip or higher.

In these instances Getty’s would only be getting 250 AB’s  and we would have improved elsewhere moving Margot who,while a good defender,is part of our below average offensive issue,

Where do you all expect to improve our offense if it isn’t CF or 2B?

Are you assuming we are able to move Myers?

Are you kicking Renfroe to the curb?

Or do you think we are miraculously gonna become a great offense without changing anyone?

 

So I guess your view is that we kick Margot and Urias to the curb instead of Renfroe and Myers?

Your "up the middle" positions(CF, C, SS) are your defensive positions. You can take less offense if they have plus defense. Your corner guys(LF, RF, 1B, 3B) are your offense and power guys. We cannot have a good team when our primary offensive positions are providing no offense. We have a 2B with lots of offensive potential who has barely had a chance. It's our OF where improvement is needed.

As to your comment about getting a LHH CF with at least a .340 OBP, do you know how many of those there were in all of baseball last year with enough AB's to qualify for the leaderboards? 0. There was 1 switch hitter-Ketel Matte, and he is probably going back to 2B to preserve his back. Other than him there was only Trout and Marte(both RHH) with an OBP of at least .340. Marte is obviously the only one available. If we don't get him, then what? Are we going to try to fix all of our offensive problems with a 2B and just dump Urias? That better be one hell of a 2B. So where would that leave us? Back where I started, RF and LF. We can keep Renfroe but he is much more valuable as a platoon player.

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 21, 2019, 8:40 pm

I think if you look at LH hitting center fielders and what they did “only” against RH pitching you’d find there were some.

My point about adding offense is we have to do it somewhere.....right?

We aren’t adding anyone at 3B,SS,1B.

We can’t expect any Catcher to come in and add enough offense to make a difference.

We aren’t gonna roll into 2020 with the same 8 as last year and the FO has made it pretty clear they re looking for upgrades at 2b and the OF.

I never said anything about only changing our second baseman and “dumping” Urias.

Margot playing everyday just doesn’t give us enough offense.

Yes we will try to make changes at the corner Of spots.....but “if” we can find a platoon partner for Margot who is a top defender also.....all the better.

That was my only point.

But hey.....maybe we upgrade Myers and Renfroe (corner OF) so much that CF and 2B stay the same.....guess we’ll see.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on November 21, 2019, 10:06 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 21, 2019, 8:40 pm

I think if you look at LH hitting center fielders and what they did “only” against RH pitching you’d find there were some.

My point about adding offense is we have to do it somewhere.....right?

We aren’t adding anyone at 3B,SS,1B.

We can’t expect any Catcher to come in and add enough offense to make a difference.

We aren’t gonna roll into 2020 with the same 8 as last year and the FO has made it pretty clear they re looking for upgrades at 2b and the OF.

I never said anything about only changing our second baseman and “dumping” Urias.

Margot playing everyday just doesn’t give us enough offense.

Yes we will try to make changes at the corner Of spots.....but “if” we can find a platoon partner for Margot who is a top defender also.....all the better.

That was my only point.

But hey.....maybe we upgrade Myers and Renfroe (corner OF) so much that CF and 2B stay the same.....guess we’ll see.

 

You are correct sir. Against only RHP there was also Verdugo, Gardner and Happ. I would love to get Happ if we don't have to pay a fortune for him. The guy is 25, a LHH and averages 30 HR every 535 AB. If we can get any one these guys for a reasonable price we should do it.

Quote from fenn68 on November 22, 2019, 5:01 am

Quote from JasonE135 on November 21, 2019, 10:06 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 21, 2019, 8:40 pm

I think if you look at LH hitting center fielders and what they did “only” against RH pitching you’d find there were some.

My point about adding offense is we have to do it somewhere.....right?

We aren’t adding anyone at 3B,SS,1B.

We can’t expect any Catcher to come in and add enough offense to make a difference.

We aren’t gonna roll into 2020 with the same 8 as last year and the FO has made it pretty clear they re looking for upgrades at 2b and the OF.

I never said anything about only changing our second baseman and “dumping” Urias.

Margot playing everyday just doesn’t give us enough offense.

Yes we will try to make changes at the corner Of spots.....but “if” we can find a platoon partner for Margot who is a top defender also.....all the better.

That was my only point.

But hey.....maybe we upgrade Myers and Renfroe (corner OF) so much that CF and 2B stay the same.....guess we’ll see.

 

You are correct sir. Against only RHP there was also Verdugo, Gardner and Happ. I would love to get Happ if we don't have to pay a fortune for him. The guy is 25, a LHH and averages 30 HR every 535 AB. If we can get any one these guys for a reasonable price we should do it.

Happ shouldn’t be that costly ... remember the Cubs demoted him to AAA last year for about 2/3rds of the season .... so they are not enthralled with him even with them having some OF issues (see Almora’s bad season).

A lot of potential when drafted / signed but seems to have settled out as a switch-hitting Wil Myers.