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Quote from fenn68 on March 5, 2020, 1:15 pm

Obscure rule alert:

An Article XX-B MLB free-agent who signs a Major League contract after 11:59 PM (Eastern) on the 5th day after the final game of the World Series has an automatic "no trade" right through June 15th. The player can waive this right, but if he does he can be traded only for cash and/or player contracts with a maximum aggregate value of $50,000.

For the Padres that covers Pomeranz, Stammen, and Pierce Johnson since they signed ML contracts as FA. Rule does not apply to players signing minor league contracts.

 

Whoa!  Where did you find that?  I'm sure it applies to Pom & Stammen based on service time... but I wonder about Pierce Johnson who only has < 1.000 year of MLB service time?  Is "Article XX-B MLB free-agent" technically defined somewhere?

The rule is logical though:  That as part of an MLB contract signed as a FA having to typically relocate; you're not going to have to move again just a month or 2 after signing the contract in good faith with a team you want to play for.

Obviously this would eliminate the "trade Stammen or P. Johnson" ideas... and thus narrows down ways to accomodate the "tight" roster...

A FA is a FA ... so service time makes no difference the way I read it.

Agree it makes sense from the player's perspective having potentially given up the opportunity to sign with another team that may be better for him ... has to get some guaranteed stability .... at least until June 15th.

When the suggestion came up ... something in the back of my brain's rusting brain cells remembered vaguely some restrictions on trading newly signed FA. So, thanks to that new fangled internet, found the rule.

yeah FA signed in offseason cant be traded until after June 15th-- been a rule forever

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 5, 2020, 7:22 am

Booster,   G. Richards a midseason possibility, but no way before the season starts.  Preller needs to be .500+ for job security; that's not the way to achieve it.

Depending on the health Paxton and return of Domingo German, by mid season NYY might not need a Sp by then. So I get what your saying, but if you want something good from NYY, now might be the time.

In the past 90 loss seasons thinking trade pretty much surrounded moving veteran (and occasional prospect) parts with the objective of building for the future but in 2020 the future has presumably arrived with the Padres (in my mind) having a roster that may legitimately be a contender for a wild card and a stacked farm system of quality prospects. That change to potential contender has to change Preller's trading strategy to begin 2020.

Probably still in the market for trades that:

  1. net a better 26 man roster on opening day 2020 using unneeded ML players and prospects, and
  2. move fringe 40 man roster players for "Preller Specials" ... non-roster prospects in low A and below

Right now may see some "2" but unlikely "1" given the other teams at this point are not all that motivated to move players that would upgrade the Padres presumed 26. IF the are out of it at the trade deadline ... a point were more teams normally are seeking a boost ... might see some more notable moves.

I can see the Padres buying into the potential of Paddack, Lamet, Richards, and Davies in 2020 being an above average 1-4 SP and carrying them into contention given the offense is still a question (although better). None of them are being moved for prospects at this time. Not ready to drop one of them for Quantrill in the rotation ... unproven as he is.

I agree with FENN there.  As hard as I've pushed in offseason for a trade involving a SP, there are almost no moves I can think of now where I'd deal any of our top 4 or Gore or Patino.  I still think there's a chance of a Myers + Cal or Joey (Boston) happening, b/c the value of Joey & Cal might fall in near future if the young AA SP's rise... BUT

I've had some concern all offseason that we are in great shape 1-6 SP, but that there's a significant dropoff after that AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON.  If we can make it 2 months into season relatively healthy, at that point Gore, maybe others like Bolanos are ready and we safely have depth at SP beyond a 6th starter.

I think we are "jonesing" a bit for some baseball. And this is definitely a weird time, but did find  a non medical baseball article earlier today. Disclaimer, I did not suggest this or endorse this trade, havent made my mind up on this one.

On EVT they proposed this trade.

Padres get Lester, Hendricks, Heyward, and Rizzo. Cubs get Hosmer, Myers, Yates, Quantrill, Luchessi, and $30M in cash.

Off the top of my head, this does not seem good for SD IMO.

I seriously doubt that the Cubs would do that. It would be worth it to me just to be able to get rid of Hosmer and his 1000 year contract and replace him with an actually valuable 1B. Rizzo would be a cleanup hitter who would actually worry opposing teams. Yes we would be trading 2 promising young SP for 2 old/older ones, but Hendricks seems extremely valuable. Heyward for Myers might be pretty close to a wash. At least we would be getting much better defense. Yates would really hurt, unless management isn't planning on extending him anyway. I would do this trade.

Quote from BoosterSD on March 22, 2020, 5:29 pm

I think we are "jonesing" a bit for some baseball. And this is definitely a weird time, but did find  a non medical baseball article earlier today. Disclaimer, I did not suggest this or endorse this trade, havent made my mind up on this one.

On EVT they proposed this trade.

Padres get Lester, Hendricks, Heyward, and Rizzo. Cubs get Hosmer, Myers, Yates, Quantrill, Luchessi, and $30M in cash.

Off the top of my head, this does not seem good for SD IMO.

Padres could not afford that trade (and don't even understand the logic on the $30MM to the Cubs). In 2020 (cash basis): Lester ($15MM), Heyward ($21MM), Hendrick ($12MM), Rizzo ($16.5MM) ... plus $64.5MM. Padres drop: Hosmer ($20MM), Myers ($20MM), Yates ($7.1MM), Quantrill ($0.6), and Lucchesi ($0.6) ... $48.3MM. So, the Padres would pick up $16.2MM before paying any part of the $30MM.

Lester (mutual option) and Yates will be FA after 2020 but 2021 would still be more expensive for the Padres before the $30MM. Rizzo is a FA after 2021 and then the Padres save a small amount but after 2022 (when Myers goes FA) they again pay more. Money-wise, Cubs would love this deal.

On the field, would worry that shifting Heyward and Rizzo to PETCO (and the NL West) would diminish their performance (does for about everyone) while Myers and Hosmer going to Wrigley (and the NL Central) would enhance their production. Could argue that on a projected basis ... that may be closer to a wash than their histories would suggest. Also, although still defensively better than Myers ... Heyward's defense has eroded as he aged (now 30) to pretty "average" plus he is under contract (at $21MM/yr) for 4 more years.

Hendrick would be a good get ($12MM then 3 more years at $14MM) ... but also 30. On the other hand, how do you value Quantrill (6 years control) and Lucchesi ( 4 years control) while currently at league minimum.

Even if they dropped the $30MM cash component ... sort of a blah trade going forward.

 

 

Rays Acquire Esteban Quiroz From Padres

The Rays have acquired infield prospect Esteban Quiroz from the Padres, Fangraphs’ Eric Longenhagen reports (Twitter link).  Quiroz represents the player to be named later in the December trade that saw Tommy Pham and two-way prospect Jake Cronenworth go to San Diego, while the Rays received Hunter Renfroe and infield prospect Xavier Edwards.