Quote from BoosterSD on November 21, 2019, 8:57 am

Quote from fenn68 on November 21, 2019, 8:41 am

So to the point .... should the Padres be selling high on Yates? Should be at peak value in his early 30s, low $6.5MM price tag for his production, and a FA after 2020. Listen to some commentary about the RP FA market suggesting that not much that is compelling plus given the unknown of what you get from a RP year to year ... not eager to go with expensive long term deals (recent experiences have not been that good with RP)

Yes, they should. I thought they should have shopped him at the deadline last season after we started to bomb. But the trading of Yates doesnt necessarily mean punting on the 2020 season IMO. Hudson of the WS Champion Nats is a FA, and MLBTR suggests that his AAV will be around $6M for two years. So that means SD could use Yates as a means to either offload Myers salary or get that LHH corner OFer. Then sign Hudson to replace Yates, and save $500K± at the same time. Or you could even offer Hudson something like $4.5 this season and $7.5M for 2021 saving some space this season, and using some of that Oliveras/Kinsler dead money next season.

Quote from fenn68 on November 21, 2019, 9:34 am

In theory Hedges trade value just went up with the 31 year old Grandal signing with CWS for $78MM/4 years. Not much quality left on the FA market at C and those prices should also have just jumped up (dollars / years).

Hedges maybe can't hit ... but elite defense on an offensive biased team can fit ... plus controllable at a comparatively low salary, and there are a few teams really wanting to upgrade catching.

Quote from TatisJr on November 21, 2019, 9:36 am

Yates was the best relief pitcher in baseball last year! It sounds like his family loves San Diego and he wants to stay with the Padres. Offer him a 2 for 20 or 3 for 24 type extension and have Kirby there as an example for the Padres young talented relievers. I understand the Padres are loaded with young arms coming in and I do think Munoz/Baez/Strahm/Castillo would be fine without Yates. However, Yates doesn’t force the young guys into the closer role and they can watch and learn from the best in the business. Kirby has established himself as a lights out closer and he’s an important voice in the clubhouse. All that and you likely get him at a discounted rate for what he brings to the table. I don’t think dealing Kirby would make the vets like Hosmer and Machado very happy either. Tough for AJP and ownership to sell they are marching towards the playoffs while dealing away the games top closer.

Quote from TatisJr on November 21, 2019, 9:53 am

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Quote from fenn68 on November 20, 2019, 12:50 pm

Yep think a platoon of Margot / Inciarte could be very good.

However, might choose to find a less “valuable” RHH CF option (only should play 25% of the time) and move Margot in a deal since a number of teams apparently wanting a legit CF and if nothing else Margot is a plus defensive option at a low cost with control and still to some ... upside.

Always hard to tell how different GMs view same player ... eg Margot v Inciarte so a bit of a wild card but could see Margot being very useful in a package for a bigger upgrade (corner OF?). Margot does have control, cost, health over Inciarte ... so?

That guy is Gettys. In our system. Will be league minimum. His BA and OBP last year versus LHP was was .260/.342, and we know he can go get the ball in the OF as good as almost anyone. So that would save about $1.5M over Margot and allow Margot to be used in the deal with NYM to get Conforto.

Dickerson, Inciarte, and Conforto versus RHSP. Dickerson, Gettys, and Renfroe versus LHSP. That OF will cost less than $28M for the year.

I do love those outfield setups with Dickerson and Conforto. We can just have no confidence in Gettys. He has been around forever and he has never shown a decent bat. He strikes out at an incredible rate. He shows excellent defense and amazing tools, but he is never going to be anything more than a defensive replacement.

Honestly I have about as much confidence in Margot as I do in Gettys. Yes Gettys strikes out about 30% of the time, but Margot strikes out around 20% of the time, and Gettys has more power. I dont think either one is a long term solution. So if another team has a desire to get Margot, and we use him as part of a package to get the LHH corner OF, I am fine with a year of Gettys getting about 25%± of the playing time. And even though its not a lot, Gettys would save SD about $1.5M that can be used towards a Dickerson signing.

Booster, please tell me you are joking? You have as much confidence in Margot as Gettys? That’s nutty, man. They are one year apart in age and Margot has been an elite defender in the bigs for 3 years. Margot has shown he can be a solid major league center fielder. Gettys has struggled at every level in the minors. He has tools, but it’s debatable if he ever makes the bigs...even as a 5th OF type.

Quote from 3fingersplit on November 21, 2019, 10:07 am

Closers off the discard pile all had one thing in common coming to San Diego........Darren Balsley

Yates yelled at and was unhappy with a catcher so he will get traded as will the best catcher the Padres have

All you people will miss these three more than you know

 

Quote from BoosterSD on November 21, 2019, 10:08 am

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Honestly I have about as much confidence in Margot as I do in Gettys. Yes Gettys strikes out about 30% of the time, but Margot strikes out around 20% of the time, and Gettys has more power. I dont think either one is a long term solution. So if another team has a desire to get Margot, and we use him as part of a package to get the LHH corner OF, I am fine with a year of Gettys getting about 25%± of the playing time. And even though its not a lot, Gettys would save SD about $1.5M that can be used towards a Dickerson signing.

Booster, please tell me you are joking? You have as much confidence in Margot as Gettys? That’s nutty, man. They are one year apart in age and Margot has been an elite defender in the bigs for 3 years. Margot has shown he can be a solid major league center fielder. Gettys has struggled at every level in the minors. He has tools, but it’s debatable if he ever makes the bigs...even as a 5th OF type.

Not joking at all. Whats so great about Margot and his career line of .248/.301? Or his even worse 2019 line of .234/.304 that can not be replaced by Gettys for one stinking year? I have yet to see anyone on here discount Gettys defense as being a downgrade from Margot. Gettys, even while striking out at 30% clip in AAA still finished with a .250/.305 line and had a phenomenal August with a .301/.371 line along with 6 HRs and 8 doubles.

So yeah, if the NYM wants Margot as part of a deal to get Conforto, I have no problem with Gettys getting a chance next season as part of a platoon in CF, especially for just under $600K.

Quote from TatisJr on November 21, 2019, 10:32 am

What’s so great about Gettys .260 BA and .316 OBP career MINOR LEAGUE numbers? He struck out 168 times in 128 games in a hitters paradise.  Gettys has a much stronger throwing arm over Margot, but defensively Margot is as good as it gets in the BIG LEAGUES. I haven’t seen Gettys much outside of spring games, but I doubt he gets the jump on balls Margot does. Margot mashed left handed pitching this year at the BIG LEAGUE level and hit .263 as a 22 rookie in the BIG LEAGUES. Margot is projected to hit .252 BA, .313 OBP, 12 homers and 14 steals while playing elite defense. I’ll take that and most teams would as well.

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Quote from TatisJr on November 21, 2019, 10:32 am

What’s so great about Gettys .260 BA and .316 OBP career MINOR LEAGUE numbers? He struck out 168 times in 128 games in a hitters paradise.  Gettys has a much stronger throwing arm over Margot, but defensively Margot is as good as it gets in the BIG LEAGUES. I haven’t seen Gettys much outside of spring games, but I doubt he gets the jump on balls Margot does. Margot mashed left handed pitching this year at the BIG LEAGUE level and hit .263 as a 22 rookie in the BIG LEAGUES. Margot is projected to hit .252 BA, .313 OBP, 12 homers and 14 steals while playing elite defense. I’ll take that and most teams would as well.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/michael-gettys-656455?stats=career-r-hitting-milb

Here is baseball savants scouting report on Gettys. Sounds as good as Margot defensively, and as you mentioned with a better arm than Marogt. I think Gettys can get you the 14 steals easily, and produce more HRs, and do it cheaper. And youre right, Margot did really well versus LHP, but horrible versus RHP, which makes him a 4th OFer, same as what baseball savant is calling Gettys. So why not use Margot and get Conforto, who massively helps against RHP (SDs downfall), save money, and platoon Gettys for the one year until Trammell is ready, and improve the team in 2020 and 2021.

And dont forget, Im not saying hand Gettys 550+ ABs next season, this was based on getting a LHH CFer to platoon option like Inciarte or Akiyama, same as what many were saying to do with Margot. I just propose that Gettys will not be that big of a drop off from Margot, and allow us to improve a much needed area of the OF.

Quote from 3fingersplit on November 21, 2019, 11:15 am

Have any of you guys seen this Gettys guy actually play in person ?

I don't care what some made up stat is on paper or what some savant says......has anybody seen this guy in person ?