Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 17, 2019, 4:50 am

Quote from JasonE135 on November 16, 2019, 7:19 pm

The Sox were the only team who were conceivably 1 player away at the time of the trade. We certainly are not. Can we afford to give up that kind of future production for a short-term rental? We are not in a place yet to give away HUGE future production for plus short-term gain. Especially not more than one future prospect.

Do we trade away our future to possibly make the playoffs this year? Or do we wait a year or two, keep our prospects and build a team that can actually compete for a World Series? We have been to the playoffs many times. Yes, not recently. I would rather wait and build a team that can actually bring us a major sport championship.

Do you think we are going to trade a Gore, Trammell, Patino, Abrams, Edwards, Campusano or two? Do you seriously think a team is going to trade a Betts, Lindor, Bryant, Merrifield, Syndergaard or even Gray or Boyd without receiving at least one and probably two along with more to get any of them? I just don't see the value in those trades. 2 years of their guy versus 12 years from our two guys at least, and probably more?

I see lots of trade suggestions here that are 5-6 second level prospects for 1 or 2 stars(or at least big time players). The problem is, I never see those trades happen IRL. Look at any team that has defined a price for a top player who they might trade. None of them mention second level prospects. And yes, I know that our second level prospects are as good as many teams first level prospects. I just think that those teams who don't have our kinds of premium prospects have no chance at making those trades either. Teams want TOP prospects for TOP talent. I just don't think we are going to be able to get top talent for our second level prospects. I guess we will see what happens.

Wasn't the Kimbrel trade like 4 or 5 for 1 when we made it (To Boston and from Boston). Same with the Meyers trade.. Was like 4 from us for 2 of theirs ..Meyers + Castillo.. ? Not defending the Rizzo trade at all..BUT Rizzo was a 1B and we already had Alonzo there..so what were we supposed to do ..stash a 1B prospect in AAA and waste his trade value or go get a high upside/incomsistent SP who could put it all together and be a rock in our rotation for 1/2 a decade "possibly".. Sure Cashner didnt pan out but he wasn't terrible either.. But yeah Rizzo became an All Star.. In hindsight we should have traded Alonzo... But here we are 8 yrs later and we have an even Bigger get (Tatis Jr and Paddack ) for Shields and Rodney .. So if you ask me today if I wouls rather have Rizzo + Shields + Rodney OR. Tatis Jr + Cashner + Paddack I take the later 10x over.. Hey I can see Arias being traded and being 280/340/450 GG SS .. But what is his Path to rhe MLB in SDP with Urias/Edwards/Miller and Tatis Jr all ranked ahead of him as prospects andl/or recent mlb roster adds... Believe me I struggle with the idea of trading Arias BUT I get it.. As long as a trade (Sale/,Kimbrel/JDM/Verlander/Eaton/etc) leads to a WS then does it really matter if you gave up an All Star or 2 in the future for it.. It doesn't .. I mean part of having the best system is trading future studs for current MLB solid + players.. Orherwise why build a farm.. No team has or will ever build a contender or sustaimable Championship team solely on their farm.. Look around now and historically ..even the LAD of the early 70s that had Russell/CeyGarvey and Lopez as Rookies for 1 to 3 yrs ..was built with FA and trades surrounding that youth.. Hell the Nats had 4 drafted players + 3 Intl signings as in house grown pieces in their 25. The other 18 were acquired via trade or FA signings...

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 17, 2019, 4:58 am

Quote from JasonE135 on November 17, 2019, 4:38 am

Renfroe for Conforto 1 for 1? Preller would do that in an instant if he could! I don't think there is any chance of that. I predict 1 major trade if we are lucky. More likely just a couple of small junk trades. If he does more than 1 major trade I predict that he will give away a lot more than anyone here expects and we will truly regret at least one of them. We will see.

Renfroe is Righty (Mets greatest need) he is controlled longer than Comforto 4 to 2) and if (pre-injuries, 1st half Renfroe) is the norm.. Then Mets are getting > value.. Plus Renfroes D already better than Comfortos and is not close.. But yeah Comforto still better balanced R/L hitting ..in the Power dept Renfroe >... And Renfroe has been doing his damage in arguably the least friendly park for hitters in baseball.. Whereas Citifield is a lot easier to hit at.. Again I think Comforto for Renfroe is close if not slightly favorable to the Mets.. Bottomline such a trade helps balance both teams lineups...

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 17, 2019, 5:01 am

Quote from JasonE135 on November 17, 2019, 4:38 am

Renfroe for Conforto 1 for 1? Preller would do that in an instant if he could! I don't think there is any chance of that. I predict 1 major trade if we are lucky. More likely just a couple of small junk trades. If he does more than 1 major trade I predict that he will give away a lot more than anyone here expects and we will truly regret at least one of them. We will see.

If our system is as good as we all think/know it is.. We should regret a lot more than one... While enjoying the fruits of the acquired player/s.. I'll leave you with Jason Bay for Brian Giles.. Giles came to SDP and we went or played meaningful games in Oct for 4 straight seasons (longest stretch in Pads History) ..Pitt got a sexy #s guy but didnt do much..

Quote from JasonE135 on November 18, 2019, 12:06 am

I was happy to see this. Having the Padres put Patino on the "virtually untouchable" list makes me smile. We never can tell for sure but I am truly hoping this is true. I don't see any game changers out there who would be worth a Patino anyway, outside of Lindor(who we don't need) or Merrifield(who isn't available). I don't see any other trade target who would be worth it.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/report-paddack-gore-are-virtually-untouchable-in-padres-trade-talks.html

Quote from BoosterSD on November 18, 2019, 7:52 am

Not sure what the pieces would be yet, still tinkering in my mind, but two trade scenarios after listening to some MLB on XM this morning.

Move #1; and I know that 3 team trades are not easy, where BOS, SD, and the CWS work a deal where CWS get JD Martinez and some prospect mix, SD gets Bradley Jr and Benintendi , and BOS gets Margot and some minor/mid level prospects for the salary relief, and either CWS or BOS also takes Kinsler.

Move #2, SD and TOR work a trade where TOR gets something like Naylor, Quantrill, MiL prospect, and all of Myers salary for some low level AJP lottery pick special.

With SD taking Bradley and losing Myers and Kinsler we save about $14M± this season, Bradley is done after this season, and then we have all Myers salary, Oliveras dead money, and Kinsler off the books for 2021 season.

BOS does this because they save $34M± in salary even though they lose Benintendi, and they get plus defense in CF and money to try and resign Betts.

CWS does this because they need a DH, need a marquis name on their team to help lure other FAs towards their team, especially after losing on Machado last off season.

TOR gets a potential #2 or #3 ML SP, a 1B/DH at young cost, both from Canada, both areas of need from what the talking heads on MLB on XM say. And they have nothing on the books so to speak so the Myers salary will not hamper their FA efforts going forward.

Quote from WindsorUK on November 18, 2019, 1:37 pm

If AJ could pull that off, I'd be happy👍

Quote from JasonE135 on November 18, 2019, 3:04 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on November 18, 2019, 7:52 am

Not sure what the pieces would be yet, still tinkering in my mind, but two trade scenarios after listening to some MLB on XM this morning.

Move #1; and I know that 3 team trades are not easy, where BOS, SD, and the CWS work a deal where CWS get JD Martinez and some prospect mix, SD gets Bradley Jr and Benintendi , and BOS gets Margot and some minor/mid level prospects for the salary relief, and either CWS or BOS also takes Kinsler.

Move #2, SD and TOR work a trade where TOR gets something like Naylor, Quantrill, MiL prospect, and all of Myers salary for some low level AJP lottery pick special.

With SD taking Bradley and losing Myers and Kinsler we save about $14M± this season, Bradley is done after this season, and then we have all Myers salary, Oliveras dead money, and Kinsler off the books for 2021 season.

BOS does this because they save $34M± in salary even though they lose Benintendi, and they get plus defense in CF and money to try and resign Betts.

CWS does this because they need a DH, need a marquis name on their team to help lure other FAs towards their team, especially after losing on Machado last off season.

TOR gets a potential #2 or #3 ML SP, a 1B/DH at young cost, both from Canada, both areas of need from what the talking heads on MLB on XM say. And they have nothing on the books so to speak so the Myers salary will not hamper their FA efforts going forward.

These look like fairly reasonable trades, but I am sure the Red Sox will want a pretty good return. JD, while expensive, is still very productive and worth what he is getting paid. Even though the Red Sox are getting rid of a good amount of money I am sure they will want significant prospect returns for both JD Martinez and Benintendi. This kind of trade would be well worth working on to see if something can be worked out. As long as Boston doesn't demand any top-of-the-line prospects in return. Same with the Blue Jays. I see that deal for Myers as fair and just about what we should be willing to include too get rid of him. If a team wants any more than that to take him I say we just keep him.

Quote from BoosterSD on November 18, 2019, 3:11 pm

The one thing going forward in this scenario is the new GM Chaim Bloom, is his philosophy on prospects could be different than BOS previous regime? Im sure he is closer to an AJP type and can find the prospects that hurt to give up, you just dont know it hurts when you do it, much like a Tatis Jr trade. So maybe this allows this kind of deal to happen, and we dont sacrafice our immediate future 2-4 years prospects, but more the guys that are 4-6 years away. And then we will have to draft, sign the replacements for the guys we lose.

Quote from Commie on November 18, 2019, 6:25 pm

Is this Jim Bowden? His trade scenarios are always suspect. Too light for Benitendi.