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Fair(to your first comment). Believe it or not I really like Meadows. I liked him many years ago but I had no idea he would develop the power that he has now. He is exactly the kind of player for a team to build around; young, tons of control and already a serious impact bat. I just can't see any reason why anyone would want to move him. He has more value at this time than anyone outside of Acuna or Soto.

Why would TB even consider trading a star OF who will only be 25 under control until 2025 and at minimum cost. He is exactly what TB needs. TB made the playoffs with 96 wins (yes WINS) and did that with no payroll issues.

Think they are focused on unseating the NYY with some FA adds while NYY do a dance around the luxury tax threshold.

With the MIN Twins having 4 SP go into FA this off season, is there any chance that a trade could happen between MIN and SD, where SD ends up with Kirilloff? I know that MLB ranks him as their #2 prospect, but they do have Buxton and Kepler in house already, and they are always budget conscious to a point.

MIN gets Myers, Luchessi, Quantril, Naylor, and Patino for Kirilloff? We save $68.5M and get a LHH RFer, and they get 3 SPs and a 1B/DH for said $68.5M.

Quote from BoosterSD on November 14, 2019, 5:16 am

With the MIN Twins having 4 SP go into FA this off season, is there any chance that a trade could happen between MIN and SD, where SD ends up with Kirilloff? I know that MLB ranks him as their #2 prospect, but they do have Buxton and Kepler in house already, and they are always budget conscious to a point.

MIN gets Myers, Luchessi, Quantril, Naylor, and Patino for Kirilloff? We save $68.5M and get a LHH RFer, and they get 3 SPs and a 1B/DH for said $68.5M.

Oh hell no...

Quote from fenn68 on November 13, 2019, 1:16 am

Why would TB even consider trading a star OF who will only be 25 under control until 2025 and at minimum cost. He is exactly what TB needs. TB made the playoffs with 96 wins (yes WINS) and did that with no payroll issues.

Think they are focused on unseating the NYY with some FA adds while NYY do a dance around the luxury tax threshold.

Cause SD xould make them a deal they can't refuse.. I would be willing to go Margot + Edwards + Patino + Mejia for their AS CFer .. Do they turn that down????

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 14, 2019, 5:29 am
Quote from fenn68 on November 13, 2019, 1:16 am

Why would TB even consider trading a star OF who will only be 25 under control until 2025 and at minimum cost. He is exactly what TB needs. TB made the playoffs with 96 wins (yes WINS) and did that with no payroll issues.

Think they are focused on unseating the NYY with some FA adds while NYY do a dance around the luxury tax threshold.

Cause SD xould make them a deal they can't refuse.. I would be willing to go Margot + Edwards + Patino + Mejia for their AS CFer .. Do they turn that down????

Absolutely they do, their catching tandem was the best offensive catching performance in ML last year. They need SP this year, Patino may help this year, but they need to fill 4 spots in the rotation. And I dont think that Buxton is a big enough upgrade over Margot for SD to do that deal. Plus, Buxton has had injury problems over the last few season. I dont think it helps either team.

NYM, especially the fans, seem to have lost confidence in Diaz their closer who was lights out in SEA. Maybe NY City was too much for him to handle at this young age. What about this trade?

NYM get Lauer, Margot, and Yates. SD gets Diaz, Ramos, and Conforto.

Pads get a catcher that hit .288BA and .351 OBP, a LHH RFer, and a controllable closer that was lights out in 2018. NYM save $11M, gets an older stud closer that can handle the lights of NY, a controllable LHSP, and a CFer that can go get it better than most.

And while we probably do not need Ramos, because he is IMO similar to Mejia in being more offensive minded than defense, that now gives us 4 catchers to form the best tandem for us, and trade the others for needs that we still have.

Could go with a Ramos/Allen combo - RH and LH bats. Mejia/Ramos - best offensive combo. Mejia/Allen combo - least expensive combo. Hedges/Ramos - maybe best of offense/defense.

This doesn't seem to be the year to be making trades. The economics of trades have changed. Prospects are worth more than ever, but teams with players to trade are still expecting multiple absolute premium prospects for anyone. We already knew about the Mets wanting Gore++ for Syndergaard. For Lindor the Indians want even more. Betts with only 1 year of control the Sox are expecting practically an entire minor league system for, and a top one at that. Now the Rockies are saying that it is going to take an established major league pitcher and multiple significant prospects to get Jon FREAKING Gray? Is every GM in baseball insane, or do they all have a condition that forces them to spew lies every time they flap their lips?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/nl-notes-rumors-rendon-strasburg-nationals-cubs-castellanos-rockies-gray-cardinals-trade-outfielder.html

Still in November where all the sellers are setting the bar high or still saying player X is not on the market.

As FA sign .... other teams make trades ..... the bar (for many) will drop as the number of buyers shrink. Especially for teams that have a need ... reduce payroll ... move an asset before hitting FA ... build some prospects. Teams that are not under that pressure may just hold (sort of like the METS with Syndergaard last summer).

Both buyers and sellers know this so some strategy on how long to wait in negotiations before striking a deal plus have a back-up plan if the two teams can’t reach a mutual “value” point.  Some skill in knowing the GM on the other side of the table as to when he is digging in or still has room for movement.

Boston should be “interesting” given their stated objective to get under the luxury threshold. Betts, Martinez, Sale, Price, Bradley all come with high contract burdens that most teams will not absorb ... let alone give tip notch talent (prospects) in return. Boston does not achieve its objective if it eats some of the contract which in turn would force them to move other pieces.

Betts for 1 year at $28MM may be worth the pay but finding a team with that money to spend on a RF cuts out most of the buyers. Martinez has a very limited market as a DH (sort of why he accepted the QO). Bradley is just way over paid at $11MM. Price is way way overpaid for 3 year given average performance. Sale carries some injury inconsistency worries for a major contract. Not sure how BOSTON can get any quality in return for any of them if they need to move the contracts ... especially if the buyer know this and sense weakness.

 

Quote from fenn68 on November 16, 2019, 1:43 am

Still in November where all the sellers are setting the bar high or still saying player X is not on the market.

As FA sign .... other teams make trades ..... the bar (for many) will drop as the number of buyers shrink. Especially for teams that have a need ... reduce payroll ... move an asset before hitting FA ... build some prospects. Teams that are not under that pressure may just hold (sort of like the METS with Syndergaard last summer).

Both buyers and sellers know this so some strategy on how long to wait in negotiations before striking a deal plus have a back-up plan if the two teams can’t reach a mutual “value” point.  Some skill in knowing the GM on the other side of the table as to when he is digging in or still has room for movement.

Boston should be “interesting” given their stated objective to get under the luxury threshold. Betts, Martinez, Sale, Price, Bradley all come with high contract burdens that most teams will not absorb ... let alone give tip notch talent (prospects) in return. Boston does not achieve its objective if it eats some of the contract which in turn would force them to move other pieces.

Betts for 1 year at $28MM may be worth the pay but finding a team with that money to spend on a RF cuts out most of the buyers. Martinez has a very limited market as a DH (sort of why he accepted the QO). Bradley is just way over paid at $11MM. Price is way way overpaid for 3 year given average performance. Sale carries some injury inconsistency worries for a major contract. Not sure how BOSTON can get any quality in return for any of them if they need to move the contracts ... especially if the buyer know this and sense weakness.

 

JDM didn't accept rhe QO ..he has years and a ton of millions OPTION left.. Which he clearly kept and didn't opt out