Quote from JasonE135 on November 12, 2019, 3:36 pm

Where, oh where, will we ever be able to find another player who can give us a .300/.340 16-HR line? Oh, right, Corey Dickerson did that. Sure, he had only 12-HRs, but he did it in half as many ABs. The money will be close to even. If anything, Dickerson may be cheaper. He will give us 20-30 SB less than Merrifield. He will give us 10-HRs more. Most importantly, he plays a position of need (LF) and he doesn't cost us ANY prospects. Oh, and he is  actually 5 months younger and a LHH.

Personally, I would rather take Dickerson with the close-to-identical batting line in LF and keep Urias, Patino and Campusano over just Merrifield at 2B and lose all the prospects.

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 12, 2019, 5:18 pm

Again.....Dickersons numbers are with him only playing against RH pitching.

Your taking a platoon player over a 150 plus game player.

Which is fine if you acknowledge this and are OK with another roster spot used for the same position against every LH starter.

This is also why Dickerson has moved around and isn’t even listed as a top Free Agent.

He also isn’t gonna play 2b or CF for us.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 12, 2019, 5:20 pm

And I was the first to suggest Dickerson....even going back to before last season.
But he isn’t comparable to Merrifield.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on November 12, 2019, 6:07 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 12, 2019, 5:18 pm

Again.....Dickersons numbers are with him only playing against RH pitching.

Your taking a platoon player over a 150 plus game player.

Which is fine if you acknowledge this and are OK with another roster spot used for the same position against every LH starter.

This is also why Dickerson has moved around and isn’t even listed as a top Free Agent.

He also isn’t gonna play 2b or CF for us.

 

First off, Dickerson hits LH pitchers better than any of our current guys. Second, we already have extra RHH OF. One of them could play 1/3 of the time and maximize value. We already have them on the roster. It IS okay for a backup outfielder to actually play and be an important part of the team. Third, we need to replace our corner OF. We do not need to replace our 2B.

In your plan, we get .300/.340 15-HR 20-30-SB production from 2B, But we still have holes at every outfield spot. In mine, we get .300/.340 25-HR 0-SB production from LF. We also have Luis Urias, a prospect long touted as a future .300, high OBP hitter to play 2B for us. We also have Campusano to be our plus defense/plus offense/plus arm catcher of the future and Patino to be our #2 starter. So one trade fills an existing hole while the other one makes an extra hole, fill it and loses us several premium prospects.

No Dickerson isn't comparable to Merrifield. Only his production is.

Merrifield- .296/.344/.789  49-HR 107-SB in 2211-AB

Dickerson- .286/.328/.832  115-HR 23-SB in 2716-AB

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 6:33 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on November 12, 2019, 6:07 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 12, 2019, 5:18 pm

Again.....Dickersons numbers are with him only playing against RH pitching.

Your taking a platoon player over a 150 plus game player.

Which is fine if you acknowledge this and are OK with another roster spot used for the same position against every LH starter.

This is also why Dickerson has moved around and isn’t even listed as a top Free Agent.

He also isn’t gonna play 2b or CF for us.

 

First off, Dickerson hits LH pitchers better than any of our current guys. Second, we already have extra RHH OF. One of them could play 1/3 of the time and maximize value. We already have them on the roster. It IS okay for a backup outfielder to actually play and be an important part of the team.      Third, we need to replace our corner OF. We do not need to replace our 2B.

In your plan, we get .300/.340 15-HR 20-30-SB production from 2B, But we still have holes at every outfield spot. In mine, we get .300/.340 25-HR 0-SB production from LF. We also have Luis Urias, a prospect long touted as a future .300, high OBP hitter to play 2B for us. We also have Campusano to be our plus defense/plus offense/plus arm catcher of the future and Patino to be our #2 starter. So one trade fills an existing hole while the other one makes an extra hole, fill it and loses us several premium prospects.

No Dickerson isn't comparable to Merrifield. Only his production is.

with what Dickerson is going to make in FA and what Whit makes we can make room for both EASILY.. and as far as prospects go.. we either graduate them to the MLB level where they lose value quickly if they dont hit the majors running... or we need to move some of them-- we may be able to "house 4 or 5" of them in 20 +21 combined BUT no way we can HOUSE 10-15 who will be ready-- I mean someone has to go from Paddack/Gore/Cantillo/Patino/Baez/Morejon/Bolanos/Lamet/Lucchesi/Lauer/Weathers/Lawson.... If we add a Wheeler (for 5 yrs) .. say Baez and Morejon become BP guys-- (they immediately lose current Top prospect SP value)-- why not trade 1 2 3 of them for UPGRADES (Stars) at other positions-- obviously the higher (prospect ranks) your willing to go -- the better talent we should be getting... after all we cant play 13 SP at once and we have a very good stable of another 12-15 BP arms at or close to at MLB level... Got to sell high and Patino for example its like a TECH stock that went from 1 cent t0 $100 overnight.. the likelyhood his stock continues to gain more value is a bet I am not willing to make-- he can easily crash and burn... Gore was a $100 stock that is now $1,000 dollar stock much safer long term play here as we've gotten Value 10 fold from a quality base.. but Patino was a 1 cent stock that has gone crazy-- sure he could be a 3 time CY winner in the future -- BUT I am proposing him in a MEADOWS return who is already an All Star and has MVP type game ceiling... at a position of need

Quote from TatisJr on November 12, 2019, 8:05 pm

David Peralta seems like a target for the Padres. The D’Backs have young OFs coming up so they could move off him.  He only has one year left on his deal so he won’t cost a ton in prospect capital. 1 year rental types aren’t popular here, but Peralta is an interesting fit. His OBP, LH bat and defense would help next season.  He won’t significantly raise payroll in 2020 like Betts. At 31 he would seem to be retainable in years beyond 2020 if things go well. We would have the added benefit of not having to watch him kill the Padres. I swear Peralta and Blackmon are just impossible outs when facing the Pads.

Quote from JasonE135 on November 12, 2019, 8:07 pm

So a big velocity jump signifies a pitcher who is destined to fail? We got Patino when he was a kid. Every kid experiences a velocity jump when they grow. Glasgow was throwing mid to high 80's when he was drafted. He was all projection. Now he hits sits upper 90's. Patino was all projection. They are both fulfilling their potential. There are no red flags in Patino's mechanics. There is no reason he cannot continue to not only do what he is doing, but actually improve.

Most tech stocks start at zero. It is not until they come up with a new invention, program or app that they go through the roof. Didn't Bill Gates start off in his garage? How would you feel if you had stock in any of these companies and sold low?:

https://pakwired.com/7-startups-that-started-in-garage/

Meadows is NOT on the market. TB already bought low on him and realized his huge increase in value and productivity. Buying high and expecting another "Yelich" type of breakthrough is far, far, far less likely than our prospects turning out.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 10:03 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on November 12, 2019, 8:07 pm

So a big velocity jump signifies a pitcher who is destined to fail? We got Patino when he was a kid. Every kid experiences a velocity jump when they grow. Glasgow was throwing mid to high 80's when he was drafted. He was all projection. Now he hits sits upper 90's. Patino was all projection. They are both fulfilling their potential. There are no red flags in Patino's mechanics. There is no reason he cannot continue to not only do what he is doing, but actually improve.

Most tech stocks start at zero. It is not until they come up with a new invention, program or app that they go through the roof. Didn't Bill Gates start off in his garage? How would you feel if you had stock in any of these companies and sold low?:

https://pakwired.com/7-startups-that-started-in-garage/

Meadows is NOT on the market. TB already bought low on him and realized his huge increase in value and productivity. Buying high and expecting another "Yelich" type of breakthrough is far, far, far less likely than our prospects turning out.

I'll say it again IF Meadows (for whom AJP had conversations about in July with TB) is not available..then I don't care if Boston gives us Benintendi + Betts .. Patino is OFF the Table..

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 10:46 pm

One thing about Urias is he absolutely destroys LHP to almostba .900 OPS .. But so far has been horrible vs RHP .573 OPS ... So I can see perhaps a very telling sign here...