Quote from BoosterSD on June 13, 2019, 6:32 pm

Quote from Philip Spector on June 13, 2019, 4:02 pm

Lowering Yates return by attaching Myers to him is not a smart deal

There are a lot of things that can happen with a 32 year old reliever that is WAY out performing his track record. Dont forget, it was just the 2017 season that he was so bad that he was cut by the Angels! There is something to be said for selling high sometimes.

Quote from Philip Spector on June 13, 2019, 11:45 pm

You aren't getting a crazy return for yates, no one is going to be trading a top 25 prospect for him. And if you add myers you are getting very little back, trading him makes little sense, extending him makes a lot more. Also a lot of things have changed for yates since 2017, he's a completely different player, this isn't a fluke thing.

Quote from BoosterSD on June 14, 2019, 6:03 am

Quote from Philip Spector on June 13, 2019, 11:45 pm

You aren't getting a crazy return for yates, no one is going to be trading a top 25 prospect for him. And if you add myers you are getting very little back, trading him makes little sense, extending him makes a lot more. Also a lot of things have changed for yates since 2017, he's a completely different player, this isn't a fluke thing.

He is just under $3.1M for the season, and arbitration next year. So any team can afford him, even teams like BOS that are up against the Luxury Tax, which is why many national pundits are saying we can get quite a haul for him. And yes, he has a year and half of high level performance going, but we all know that RP performance can turn on a dime. Im not saying its a bad move if they trade him, Im just saying that it is not a bad move to trade him either. Especially if you can do it to improve the team, either player wise, or to eliminate a big contract in the case of Myers. Particularly if you can take the $22.5M owed to Myers next season and turn that into Gerrit Cole, or someone similar to that.

Quote from fenn68 on June 14, 2019, 6:38 am

Well ... no surprise ... but Preller said he is WILLING to trade anyone on the ML roster except Tatis, Machado, and Hosmer. Of course WILLING does nothing to address his demand for a return which practically eliminates some from being moved.

My usual position is not to trade anyone just to get rid of them but focus on the return making the team better ... and that of course is judgmental and many will see that return differently. So, trading Yates is a NO unless the return is compelling. Actually the same with Myers although in his case clearing his contract (making monies available for new adds via trade / FA) has value and could justify a trade without a player return.

However, Padres are getting to the point where some house cleaning at the ML level to allow the better roster options getting some consistent playing time for their development. Sometimes they just need to make the call on who the keep and who to move and stop shuffling.

Quote from fenn68 on June 14, 2019, 7:04 am

Recognizing that another team actually has to want any of the following OF from the Padres and give a "fair" return, here is where the stand in 2019 performance-wise for a) the season and b) past 30 days:

Player ...... PA ... BA/OBP/SLG .... wRC+ ... dWAR

Renfroe ... (206)... 241/291/586... 124 ........ 2.1 -------- (82) ... 253/317/600 ... 137 .... 0.8

Reyes ....... (235)... 243/294/542...114 .........-3.8 ......... (93) ... 195/280/463 ....  93 ... -1.5

Myers ...... (236) ... 229/331/429 .. 105 ....... 0.9 .......... (93) ... 205/376/411 .... 118 .... -0.1

Naylor ......(. 55) ... 236/236/400 ... 64 .......-0.2 ..........(55) ... 236/236/400 ...  65 ... -0.2

Margot .... (156) ... 226/271/301 ,,,.  55 ....... -0.1 ......... (50) ... 116/240/116 .....  11 ... 0.6

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That production (combined with no real elite OF prospects near term in the system) makes me want to focus on adding OF help but not likely a full changeout is feasible.

Really disappointed in Reyes regression (looks like teams figured out the high FB gets him out).

Sadly, Myers may be sitting as the 2nd most productive OF of this group if you consider offense and defense and Renfroe has surprised with his improvement. So, do you keep Myers and Renfroe and deal Reyers, Margot, and Naylor while adding a better OF option? If they could get a quality CF .... Myers in LF and Renfroe in RF would improve defense and not hurt the offense. Alternatively, even keeping Myers in CF (poor defense et. al) while adding a very compelling bat for a corner OF slot would also improve the team by keeping Margot out of the line-up.

OF help may be a more compelling need that has been discussed since the Padres do have quality SP on the come, Urias for 2B, and some C potential in Allen / Mejia on the cusp.

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 14, 2019, 9:06 am

Quote from BoosterSD on June 13, 2019, 1:12 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 13, 2019, 12:08 pm

You guys are being too impatient waiting for our 2 injured LH CF to return...

Im guessing that you are referring to Jank and Cordero. If that is the case, I dont see Cordero as a CF, more a RF that can play CF for a few days if the true CF is down. In Jank, love the defense, confused by the bat. His speed is really good, but like many now, doesnt want to play the Willie Mays Hayes route and use his legs to get on base. And his splits are really bad against LHP so he is truly a platoon guy in that aspect of his game. Although for the last year or so, I have said that a Jank/Margot is a good platoon. Margot seems determined to prove me wrong on that point though.

Booster, I agree with you that Jank/Margot could potentially be an OK platoon since team has so much power elsewhere...

... good defensively can help fundamentally range limited Reyes in RF (especially if Myers is in LF)

but they HAVE to get on base vs opposite handed pitching

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 14, 2019, 9:10 am

Quote from Philip Spector on June 13, 2019, 11:45 pm

You aren't getting a crazy return for yates, no one is going to be trading a top 25 prospect for him. And if you add myers you are getting very little back, trading him makes little sense, extending him makes a lot more. Also a lot of things have changed for yates since 2017, he's a completely different player, this isn't a fluke thing.

Agree completely!  I firmly believe the fact Pads HAD extended Hand directly led to them getting a top 25 range prospect.

Don't have to give older Yates as long / much $ as Hand got.  There's always "risk" in an extension, but Yates has given a ton of value for very little $ so far.

Quote from BoosterSD on June 15, 2019, 11:10 am

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 14, 2019, 9:06 am

Quote from BoosterSD on June 13, 2019, 1:12 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 13, 2019, 12:08 pm

You guys are being too impatient waiting for our 2 injured LH CF to return...

Im guessing that you are referring to Jank and Cordero. If that is the case, I dont see Cordero as a CF, more a RF that can play CF for a few days if the true CF is down. In Jank, love the defense, confused by the bat. His speed is really good, but like many now, doesnt want to play the Willie Mays Hayes route and use his legs to get on base. And his splits are really bad against LHP so he is truly a platoon guy in that aspect of his game. Although for the last year or so, I have said that a Jank/Margot is a good platoon. Margot seems determined to prove me wrong on that point though.

Booster, I agree with you that Jank/Margot could potentially be an OK platoon since team has so much power elsewhere...

... good defensively can help fundamentally range limited Reyes in RF (especially if Myers is in LF)

but they HAVE to get on base vs opposite handed pitching

According to baseball ref.com Margot owns a .316 OBP v LHP and Jank has a .340 OBP v RHP. That would roughly average out to .328, not great but not bad either. Maybe not lead off quality, however you could leave Tatis in the 1 spot, and have Jangot bat 7th or 8th.

Quote from Brian Connelly on July 4, 2019, 11:00 am

From having 5 SP to open the year with L. Allen and Quantrill blowing their opening day roster chance & Margevicius the #5....

To now having 7 healthy SP, with Margevicius the #8 and imminently a top 3 (Gore), top 50 (Morejon), and top 100 (Baez) SP prospects on the doorstep in AA, plus whispers that Garrett Richards might return THIS season....

... the hope of having deep SP is becoming a reality.   I still maintain that for the Pads to get over the top & be a Championship contender they will need an ace SP, particularly if making a run in 2020.  But offseason or 2020 deadline may be a better time to do that than now... UNLESS the "Machado" situation presents itself; i.e. a guy who might be a (half) year early arriving, but is SO good a similar option will not be there next year.  At one point I thought Scherzer on Nats might fit this description, but they are in it, as are Indians, leaving only the Mets (Syndergaard) as likely Sellers.  He's extremely interesting as a "buy low" candidate, but does have that Cashner "feel" of maybe never living up to the hype?  He could help, but maybe not "that" guy.

Hard to see any overpriced RP available at this deadline being SO big a difference maker that a similar guy can't be obtained as a FA or trade in offseason...

Also hard to see the exact right trade materializing at Deadline for ML established improvement at our "problem areas" of: CF, 2B, and C.... let our young guys we have play and see where we stand at year end...