Quote from fenn68 on June 11, 2019, 3:53 pm

Since consensus seems to be to trade Myers and his contract but clearly no takers ... considering a "reverse Headley" deal to a contender.

Myers (and his contract) plus Yates to PHIL for prospects. PHIL needs both OF support and RP support if they are to battle CUBS and LAD in the NL playoffs ... they have the money (and apparently willing to spend).

Padres clear money in 2020 (a lot) and could redeploy for SP / CF /  C / 2B.

Quote from Commie on June 11, 2019, 4:27 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 11, 2019, 3:53 pm

Since consensus seems to be to trade Myers and his contract but clearly no takers ... considering a "reverse Headley" deal to a contender.

Myers (and his contract) plus Yates to PHIL for prospects. PHIL needs both OF support and RP support if they are to battle CUBS and LAD in the NL playoffs ... they have the money (and apparently willing to spend).

Padres clear money in 2020 (a lot) and could redeploy for SP / CF /  C / 2B.

And convert an SP to closer - see Lamet, Dinelson.

Quote from BoosterSD on June 11, 2019, 4:47 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 11, 2019, 3:47 pm

Olney is suggesting the Padres entertain trading Yates (low cost / controlled in 2020) and should yield a major return from a contender.

Gut reaction is NO, since there is no other proven / reliable option for the Padres to close in 2020 and IF the Padres want to move forward as a contender they would be destroying those chances ... basically with no reliable bullpen. Might get some quality prospects but at this point prospects may not be the best return.

Not too mention that he is 32, and we got him as a reclamation project that turned to gold. Plus, as we have mentioned previously, the life on relief arms can be short and unpredictable. No reason not to see what we can get for Yates, and pull the trigger if the return is valuable.

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 11, 2019, 5:07 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 11, 2019, 3:53 pm

Since consensus seems to be to trade Myers and his contract but clearly no takers ... considering a "reverse Headley" deal to a contender.

Myers (and his contract) plus Yates to PHIL for prospects. PHIL needs both OF support and RP support if they are to battle CUBS and LAD in the NL playoffs ... they have the money (and apparently willing to spend).

Padres clear money in 2020 (a lot) and could redeploy for SP / CF /  C / 2B.

This.

Trading Yates now is selling high......period.

Trading Myers is important financially and to reclaim a roster spot for another outfielder(Cordero/Jankowski).

I really wish Myers was giving us a 30/30 season but he isn’t.

We could use the money saved to extend Tatis or sign a SP/CF in free agency.

 

 

Quote from fenn68 on June 11, 2019, 7:15 pm

By the time Tatis will start getting the big money ... Myers will be long gone (FA after 2022) and a very good chance Hosmer will be gone (opt out after 2022 when his contract drops to a meager $13MM). 2022 will just be Tatis' 4th season and second Arb (assuming a Super 2 for his 3rd year and arb still exists post the next CBA).

So after Myers and Hosmer are gone ... looks like only Machado is around with really big money since none of the kids will be in the FA level and still should be in manageable salary ranges for at least a few more years.

IF they could dump Myers / Yates and clear salaries ... maybe the big FA SP signing slides in to front the rotation. Would love a real impact CF ... just not really seeing one out there as a FA.

Long shot though on moving Myers.

Quote from Philip Spector on June 11, 2019, 8:45 pm

The odds of Hosmer opting out are slim. If they are trading yates they need a big return.

Quote from Cptjack on June 12, 2019, 2:08 am

Quote from fenn68 on June 11, 2019, 3:47 pm

Olney is suggesting the Padres entertain trading Yates (low cost / controlled in 2020) and should yield a major return from a contender.

Gut reaction is NO, since there is no other proven / reliable option for the Padres to close in 2020 and IF the Padres want to move forward as a contender they would be destroying those chances ... basically with no reliable bullpen. Might get some quality prospects but at this point prospects may not be the best return.

Gut reaction is now now now. Preller already made this mistake 3-4 times. Literally the only reason I'm saying no to Renfroe is because I don't believe you can get fair value in return for his production his 162 average is bonkers and only serves to highlight how trash Preller/Green have been in handling him in comparison to the infinite time they gave Margot and Myers to develop.

Quote from fenn68 on June 12, 2019, 6:32 am

Looking at making a trade normally is about making the team / organization better and less about just getting rid of a player. Then, in speculating on potential returns, very hard to think along the lines of the potential trade partner as to their evaluations / objectives and their alternative targets.

To that end, although I can think of a number of players I would like to add, having a bit of a challenge to identify targets that are really on the market .... at a fair price.

A deal of Yates is likely to a contender. A contender will want to move prospects and not move anyone good on their ML roster. Do the Padres need more prospects not ML ready? Actually looking at MLB.com's top 100 prospects focusing on the contenders' prospects ... not really that compelling with the exception (if available) some pitching ... the Padres' strong point. Consider that Hand/Cimber yielded a top 25ish prospect would expect at least a top 100 type for Yates. If Preller sticks to his high ceiling view of adds ... that would suggest a prospect a couple of years out.

On the other hand, non-contenders would be more interested in the likes of Renfroe or Reyes ... or prospects .... while dumping their short control / higher cost pieces. Not sure I see any of those teams with elite CF targets for the Padres. SP (talking quality) is limited and there will be a lot of competition for those deals from legit contenders potentially forcing an "overpay".

So, a trade of someone like Yates potentially diminishes 2020 chances of the playoffs with a trade of prospects for a short term SP would improve 2020 chances. Does Preller go in both directions and hope the net is an improvement? Does he just go one way ... improve 2020 or build for 2021 and beyond? Trying to do both may be the hardest strategy to deploy.

Since I have yet to see critical mass playing effectively for a real contention run in 2020 ... I probably would opt for working on the longer term strategy (i.e. 2021 plus).

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 12, 2019, 9:22 am

Since I have yet to see critical mass playing effectively for a real contention run in 2020 ... I probably would opt for working on the longer term strategy (i.e. 2021 plus).

... sigh.   I have so many issues with the idea of trading Yates...

1)  The reason we COULD trade Hand was because Yates was already there; it was a position of depth.  RP now might be Pads biggest weakness.   Trading Yates just blows that wide open, and creates ANOTHER hole that would have to be filled.  Yes, Munoz or maybe Wingenter could be the next closer... but they aren't yet.  This roster without Yates is about 7 games under .500 right now.  I've been saying since offseason team should (have, now it costs more) EXTEND Yates; 2 yrs (i.e. add 1 yr)  + a club option.  I get the age risk & physically he's not the closer prototype, but results are there & he would still be below market.  And it doesn't preclude trading him, just increases his value like Hand's deal did.

2)  This is the big one to me:  As the team improves & finds "the answer" at an increasing # of spots (SS, 3B, RF, some SP...) the specific remaining holes to be filled shrinks, as does the likelihood of trading a MLB asset to fill one of the (fewer) needs.  Pads aren't just trying to build the Farm anymore, they're shifting to USING the depth of the Farm to fill the remaining MLB holes!

3)  Team has by my math 91.5 MM committed to just 5 players + dead $/buyouts next year... like it or not, team is spending heavily for the "prime" years of in 2020: Hosmer - 30, Myers - 29, Machado -27.  Can't shoot for a target of when Tatis, Gore, Urias, etc are all 25-26... can hopefully gracefully transition TO that, but team has already committed financially to "going for it" right now, esp 2020-2022.

If somebody offers something insane like Forrest Whitley or Kyle Tucker for Yates, obviously you take it... but they won't.   The #90 MLB prospect who's for example a SP in AA just isn't that exciting for a team with the Pads farm.