Quote from sportwarrior on June 28, 2023, 4:44 pm

The only way any of those guys are moved is if we collapse even further into July. I don't think Soto goes anywhere at all, but Hader and Snell could conceivably be moved for pieces should July become a black hole.

Quote from sportwarrior on June 28, 2023, 5:27 pm

This team is so incredibly unclutch. I thought 2015 was a tough watch, but man, this team defies any explanation. The whole offense, to a man, is lost at the plate right now. They're watching meatballs sail by. They're swinging at junk. I appreciate the work guys like Xander and Croney are doing to make better contact, but when they cluelessly stand there on their heels staring at fat plates of ham right down the middle, it's real hard to believe they're capable of fixing what's wrong.

Quote from fenn68 on June 28, 2023, 5:45 pm

Still think we don’t see any action until late July until the other teams determine if they too are buyers or sellers. That of course give time for the Padres to determine their fate.

Given the way Snell and Hader are pitching … should be a strong market for them as rentals. Everyone needs a top of the rotation arm for about 10 late season starts and the playoffs ….

I would look at BALT for Snell since they right now have a good chance to overtake TB and are solid in the Wild Card for the first playoff run in a long time. Should interest SD since they have a pretty good ML OF while having 3 Top 100 OF sitting in AAA … recipe for an “overpay” in a position of need by SD. BOST is another eager buyer if they are close to a wild card. Would also watch for CINN.

Hader could find a home in TEX or PHIL …. TEX to solidify their AL playoff chances and PHIL to maybe make the Wild Card. TEX has some really interesting propects.

Not going to get any 2023 ML help but maybe some prospect that improve the 2024 outlook.

Side: might move Lugo (who will opt out of his option for 2024 since he is pitching too well as of now) … not the return of a Snell but better than nothing. In the same vein Wacha and Martinez can be retained on club options at $32MM/2 years … if the Padres are not going to exercise those options … expect the players to decline the player option at much lower value. (Guessing the exercise Wacha’s and decline Martinez who has been just OK in the pen but not proven as a SP which is more what the $16MM AAV represents).

Not much else of trade value (pending FA) to worry about.

As for Soto, I think it comes down to the offer at the deadline … Preller gets what he wants then yes … if not readdress during the winter or hold as they still try to win in 2024. However, with the extra year of control to the right team (with money and prospects deep in the hunt for the World Series) might get that overpay. Thinking TEX who apparently want improvement at both DH and LF … have money … have a deep farm system … and are already secure as one of the best teams in the AL.

On the flip side, if the Padres are still in the running for a Wild Card … don’t think they have the trade chips to make a major add … more supporting cast upgrades … and that is fine.

Quote from fenn68 on June 28, 2023, 5:48 pm

Quote from sportwarrior on June 28, 2023, 5:27 pm

This team is so incredibly unclutch. I thought 2015 was a tough watch, but man, this team defies any explanation. The whole offense, to a man, is lost at the plate right now. They're watching meatballs sail by. They're swinging at junk. I appreciate the work guys like Xander and Croney are doing to make better contact, but when they cluelessly stand there on their heels staring at fat plates of ham right down the middle, it's real hard to believe they're capable of fixing what's wrong.

I think the offense will all come together on August 2 after the Padres trade Soto, Snell, Hader, Lugo, Garcia, and Martinez.

End 2023 on a high note to create false optimism for 2024 … and for the ones not on contract create a case for a bigger arbitration decision.

Quote from WindsorUK on June 30, 2023, 5:05 am

Which AL team is MOST in need of a front line pitcher to get them to the WS? I don't follow enough MLB to know what's happening.

Or how about a closer?

Surely both Hader and Snell will be sought after( if they aren't already). We just CANNOT afford to let them both walk at years end without at least high A( or AA) talent in exchange.

Quote from WindsorUK on June 30, 2023, 5:07 am

Any chance BoSox interested in a reunion with Bogaerts?

That dude doesn't bring anything that we don't already have in Kim.

Stupid signing.

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2023, 6:23 am

Quote from WindsorUK on June 30, 2023, 5:07 am

Any chance BoSox interested in a reunion with Bogaerts?

That dude doesn't bring anything that we don't already have in Kim.

Stupid signing.

Doubt any team would take his contract … that becomes a long term problem. Plus he has a full no trade deal.

Agree a poor signings given the Padres needs at the time … the money … the length into his 40s.

More likely the Padres choose to move on from Kim (only controlled through 2024) and he will require a pretty good contract as a FA given his age, SS defense, and improving offense.

Quote from BoosterSD on June 30, 2023, 6:28 am

Quote from WindsorUK on June 30, 2023, 5:07 am

Any chance BoSox interested in a reunion with Bogaerts?

That dude doesn't bring anything that we don't already have in Kim.

Stupid signing.

The rumor is that BOS offered him a 6 year $180M contract, and SD sign 11 years at $280M, for a difference of $100M. So IF both sides were interested in this trade (which I doubt), SD would probably need to send $50-75M in cash back with Bogaerts, depending on the prospects coming back to SD.

The big hurdle besides the length of the contract, and the money, is that doing this trade would have Preller admitting a mistake, and I dont see him doing that!

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2023, 6:38 am

Quote from WindsorUK on June 30, 2023, 5:05 am

Which AL team is MOST in need of a front line pitcher to get them to the WS? I don't follow enough MLB to know what's happening.

Or how about a closer?

Surely both Hader and Snell will be sought after( if they aren't already). We just CANNOT afford to let them both walk at years end without at least high A( or AA) talent in exchange.

Given the way Snell has been pitching … and to some degree given he will be a FA and only cost about $5-6MM for the remainder of the season probably opens the door to every team. Might consider BALT as a surprise contender … they do need a solid front end SP since at this point they look like a playoff team for the first time in years and Snell would really solidify their chances in those playoffs. Then consider they have a strong farm system (some near term OF when the already have a good OF at the ML level) … might be match. Boston would also be interested IF the get hot and get closer to the Wild Card slots.

Hader has a bit of the same considerations as Snell as a FA to be and only costing $4-5MM for the final two months of the season. Everyone wants RP … fewer really need a closer but if some think two end of game arms is better than one … again should be good bidders. PHIL is a team with a real bullpen need and they are on the bubble of the Wild Card. TEX has a good LH closer but their pen needs help so could double down. Plus maybe a surprise team could be TB … pen may be their weak link and after that great start both BALT and TEX are closing in on the best record in the AL.

Both should yield at least one quality prospect who in a year or two can help the 26 man roster … maybe not “star” level but quality ML regular or front line part time player. Better than nothing.