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#151 · July 27, 2023, 12:17 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on July 27, 2023, 11:50 amI think we could trade Hader and still compete for the playoffs this year...esp if we get any decent late inning reliever in the deal or a different deal.Not that the Pen is in great shape by any means...but this team seems to win big when they do win and lose the close ones even with Hader so....
Trading Snell is a whole other matter.
That idea didnt work so well for MIL last season.
In all honesty, from other threads, it could be that Soto is the issue on this team, could we not trade him to NYY, and get enough pieces back to still compete this season? While also allowing NYY to push for the post season as well?
#152 · July 27, 2023, 12:25 pm
I just don't see how the guy with the 158 OPS+ is the problem.
His career OPS+ is 157 btw
OPS with RISP:
Soto-.977
Tatis-.849
Machado-.803
Bogaerts-.735
Kim-.680
Cronenworth-.657
Juan Soto is not our problem
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#153 · July 27, 2023, 12:42 pm
Baseball Reference has a litany of statistics that help demonstrate how pervasive the problems are on this team.
Padman, you're right. Soto (and Tatis) have not been the problem. Yet, nearly everyone else has been.
Jake Cronenworth and Austin Nola, both, have been two of the worst clutch players in the league. Bogaerts and Carp, while not as bad, have also been significantly terrible.
Essentially, Tatis, Soto, and Kim have buoyed this team. The rest of the roster, statistically, reads like one of the worst teams in all of baseball offensively.
#154 · July 27, 2023, 12:43 pm
Carlos Santana traded to the Brewers......3 days too late!
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#155 · July 27, 2023, 2:24 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on July 27, 2023, 12:25 pmI just don't see how the guy with the 158 OPS+ is the problem.
His career OPS+ is 157 btw
OPS with RISP:
Soto-.977
Tatis-.849
Machado-.803
Bogaerts-.735
Kim-.680
Cronenworth-.657
Juan Soto is not our problem
I go back to my contention that those stats don't fully reflect each players' hitting in clutch situations / late and close / RISP on a consistent basis ... some blowout games where everyone loads up on the stats but then zip.
So they may not be THE problem but they are in the discussion. Agree that Cronenworth / Nola are a major piece of the problem based on expectations ... and then the uninspiring pack of bodies trying to fill out a ML roster that we can blame on Preller.
So ... failure is a team effort (or lack thereof).
Actually this season is killing my theory that if you put average (or even below average) player on a team with an elite set of hitters (think Soto, Machado, Tatis, Bogaerts) they will hit above expectations since the "secondary pitchers" will be in the game sooner than later and with the main hitters on base can really pitch around the others. I guess the average (or below average) have to better than the mess the Padres have assembled for that role and maybe the big four has not crushed the opposition early enough to set up that scenario.
#156 · July 27, 2023, 2:37 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on July 27, 2023, 12:25 pmI just don't see how the guy with the 158 OPS+ is the problem.
From what others were saying in other threads, I was under the impression that Soto's attitude in the clubhouse is an issue.
So it would addition by subtraction. Ship Soto out, improve the clubhouse, and bring someone in that fits into the clubhouse better.
Soto's attitude could be a non issue....dont know.
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#157 · July 27, 2023, 2:46 pm
Croney and Nola both are among the 20 worst MLB players in WPA. Nola, in particular, in relatively limited playing time, cost us a ton of offense given the situations he's batted in.
He obviously isn't the reason we're failing to win now, but based on a cursory look at advanced metrics and a strong gut feeling, I believe he disproportionally affected our chances to win above any other hitter in our lineup through the first few months.
And Fenn, I believe your theory is still unaffected, since the Big Four have not been elite this year. If they had, in fact, performed to expectations, I think you might find your theory holds water.
#158 · July 27, 2023, 2:58 pm
Dodgers pressing hard for Arenado. Aside from him being one of my favorite non-Padre players over the last decade, I cannot stand the idea of him playing in Dodger blue for the next 4 years. I truly hope that trade doesn't happen.
#159 · July 27, 2023, 3:11 pm
Quote from sportwarrior on July 27, 2023, 2:58 pmDodgers pressing hard for Arenado. Aside from him being one of my favorite non-Padre players over the last decade, I cannot stand the idea of him playing in Dodger blue for the next 4 years. I truly hope that trade doesn't happen.
If the Dodgers pull off this deal for a high priced Arenado ... with big money into Freeman and Betts ... and in recent years NOT all that willing to blow past the luxury tax limit (even if they have the money) .... MIGHT this signal that the LAD are not willing to pay the price for Ohtani this winter?
LAD has been a consistent winner with a well rounded team of stars and plus supporting players ... maybe that model in their minds is better than going all in on Ohtani at his projected cost. Winning is the goal.
#160 · July 27, 2023, 3:25 pm
And just like that, Kevin Acee writes that the Padres are still buying. Knowing his track record, the exact opposite is probably happening, but still worth noting.