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#871 · August 3, 2019, 7:34 pm
I would have gone with Jankowski over Naylor ... so coming up with the rationale is a bit challenging. Especially since in Sept both would be up and Naylor could get his ML AB then.
The call-up had to be from the front office .. combo of Preller and the development staff. Then once the decision was given to Green, he probably was given instruction to play him as much as possible. Green probably had some input ... but is not the decision makers.
So why Naylor the first up. Here it goes: 1) the Padres are out of contention so getting better insight at that ML level Naylor is a look into the future; 2) they know what they have in Jankowski ... may like him ... may know he is ready ... but waiting 30 days does nothing to hurt Jankowski’s future; 3) like it or not, seeing more of Myers in CF could be an avenue to move on from Margot ... i.e. Myers / Jankowski in 2020; 4) need LHH punch and if Naylor can’t provide a glimmer of hope now .. maybe they have to trade for it in the winter.
Myers becomes just a ping pong ball as always to accommodate other experiments ... in this case Naylor. In 2020 baring a trade, the 26 man active roster is set-up to have both Naylor and Jankowski which ought to drive us all nuts rotating them with Myers, Margot, and Renfroe ...
#872 · August 3, 2019, 7:41 pm
If our OF looks the same next year, we should expect the same outcome - another loss season.
REALLY bad planning if that is the case.
#873 · August 4, 2019, 5:46 am
Quote from WindsorUK on August 3, 2019, 7:41 pmIf our OF looks the same next year, we should expect the same outcome - another loss season.
REALLY bad planning if that is the case.
Well the Padres do have desirable ML (ML ready) pitching to trade (long control and low cost) plus a slew of near term prospects to trade to upgrade the OF (at least one spot).
Problem, not sure I can identify any upgrade (preferably LHH with good defense) that is really on the market. Not likely adding an aging veteran on a big contract works in the bigger picture of filling other needs such as an innings eater SP.
Maybe this is why the Padres took the big gamble on trading for Trammel as a future LHH CF/LF something lacking even if the AAA/AA/A+/A levels. Actually any potential impact OF is lacking in the upper levels (maybe Olivares).
Once the Padres determine (and think they will) that using Naylor in the outfield (considering his offense and defense) is less beneficial to winning than having Margot/Jankowski in CF with Myers in LF producing much better defense and maybe as much offense (different but as good), they will change the plan.
With all the upside SP in play ... and not much OF support coming .... might opt to focus on OF defense as a better support for a successful pitching staff and go the pitching / defense route to winning ... maybe low scoring games but winning is winning. Putting a team that can hit, field, and pitch is a goal but rarely achieved.
#874 · August 4, 2019, 7:22 am
We do have pitching in abundance.
AJ needs to use some of it to restock the OF, whether it's at the major league level or high minors.
Naylor presents us another Reyes problem, in that he could possibly be a productive hitter but can't hide him in the field( unless, as I suggested in another thread, they use him at first in place of Hosmer).
Maybe AJ packages him with a young arm( a la Reyes) for a piece that better fits.
This off season will be important in our evolution to make that next step.
#875 · August 4, 2019, 8:10 am
Besides the potential for dealing some SP ... to fill out deals ... have to think Naylor (Reyes like DH/1B), A.Allen (as a LHH C ... always a need), and France (probably without a starting role in SD) could have value to other teams (more than to the Padres) and are ML ready.
Since I have some doubts that real long term OF upgrade will come from the ML ranks ... maybe the focus should be more on AAA/AA upside prospects. With only Trammel and Olivares MAYBE near term getting a longer term prospective upgrade would seem wise lest they have to try to repeat short term upgrades every year.
I am beginning to convince myself that going opposite the ML trend of HR/strikeouts and shoddy defense (yes not just the Padres) and become an outlier focusing on pitching, speed, and defense might work. It is closer to the cards in the Padres hand, so easier to construct a roster to meet that concept.
I guess that would support the Padre ongoing objective to add a veteran top of the rotation arm this winter to even further improve the pitching. Then, in turn, that may make Lauer, Lamet, Lucchesi potential trade chips while preserving the high ceiling prospects (near term) of Gore, Patino, Morejon, and Baez. A contender should prefer one of the three "Ls" for immediate impact over a prospect not ML ready especially if the cost is just an OF prospect.
A chess game of many moves could be in play.
#876 · August 4, 2019, 10:10 am
re: Naylor defense ... I do not watch many Padre games ... but the guy that I know who does sez ... "Doesn't seem that bad defensively" ... so I remain open to the possibility that his LH bat will be good enough to make him a valuable LF'er on future Padre teams that contend for a pennant ... I think his bat can be that good. We've got to see if it develops.
#877 · August 4, 2019, 10:19 am
Quote from LynchMob on August 4, 2019, 10:10 amre: Naylor defense ... I do not watch many Padre games ... but the guy that I know who does sez ... "Doesn't seem that bad defensively" ... so I remain open to the possibility that his LH bat will be good enough to make him a valuable LF'er on future Padre teams that contend for a pennant ... I think his bat can be that good. We've got to see if it develops.
"not that bad" is subjective. More of a Reyes profile. Not much range and a strong enough arm but without much direction (that could be fixed in theory). Hard to make a call on reaction time and routes.
Doubt he is ever going to be considered even average defensively ... so it is his bat that is the primary issue. Do like his upside as a hitter ... remember he is still young and progressed very fast through the minors. How long does he get to prove the bat ... especially if the Padres want to contend in 2020-21?
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#878 · August 4, 2019, 11:05 am
Quote from 3fingersplit on August 3, 2019, 6:49 pmNaylor must have pictures of somebody and why Andy Green left him in after such a bad swing almost broke his back leg. I was surprised he finished his at bat....although it consisted of just watching the next pitch.
I agree with you WUK....Jankowski makes so much more sense unless he just isn't healed up enough but c'mon....Naylor is in over his head....again
WUK & 3; count me in on Jank > Naylor... not forever, but definitely for August.
What I just don't get about the Naylor recall is how it immediately disrupts the stability that JUST got created by the Reyes trade.
It's in the Pads best Short AND Long term interests for: 1) Naylor to play every day in OF to improve as much as he's capable of -- not going to happen. 2) Myers to stay in LF where if planted he could conceivably become a Gold Glover, and it's been well documented he has tended to hit much better when playing LF vs CF. -- not going to happen b/c have to play Naylor . 3) Myers and Margot (& Naylor) need to play every day to keep recent offensive turnaround going -- not going to happen. 4) Jank facing some RHP could improve OBP in games--not going to happen.
I get & am glad they think highly of Naylor & want to see what he can do, but think they're potentially hurting long term(potential trade) value on Myers & Margot by not just waiting a month to do this. We do have 2 DH games coming up @ Seattle, but other than that a little bit of a head scratcher.
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#879 · August 4, 2019, 11:29 am
Personally I haven’t given up on Buddy Reed yet.
The kid hit .271 with nearly 50 xbh’s last season.
Yes it’s taken him some time to adapt to AA....but something tells me he’s not the first to do this.
He and Trammel both actually and we just traded a beloved 40 HR guy for Trammel.
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#880 · August 4, 2019, 1:10 pm
Quote from David Nevin on August 4, 2019, 11:29 amPersonally I haven’t given up on Buddy Reed yet.
The kid hit .271 with nearly 50 xbh’s last season.
Yes it’s taken him some time to adapt to AA....but something tells me he’s not the first to do this.
He and Trammel both actually and we just traded a beloved 40 HR guy for Trammel.
It will be interesting to see if they protect Reed in Rule 5 now that they added Trammel and with Olivares on the roster.