Quote from BoosterSD on June 24, 2019, 2:26 pm

Many of those guys performed last season, and are not this year. Once again, shows the volatility of relief arms and my acceptance/belief that we should seriously think about trading Yates. And no, its not because he blew the save yesterday, just think that we can get a quality haul for him. Really think there is a trade with ATL that can be made, and benefit both teams.

Quote from fenn68 on June 24, 2019, 3:00 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on June 24, 2019, 2:26 pm

Many of those guys performed last season, and are not this year. Once again, shows the volatility of relief arms and my acceptance/belief that we should seriously think about trading Yates. And no, its not because he blew the save yesterday, just think that we can get a quality haul for him. Really think there is a trade with ATL that can be made, and benefit both teams.

Doubt the Padres would seek a"quality haul" which implies multiple prospects (see Kimbrel trade) and not near term help. More likely the would be seeking a near term targeted asset that will help the in 2020 and for years. Basically hold for one top prospect as they did with Hand to get Mejia who was somewhere in the Top 20 prospect list.

If they plan to contend in 2020 ... void the pen of any RP (let alone a closer) is a high risk move unless the offset fixes (potentially) another position of need. Otherwise, just take the risk with Yates.

Using Atlanta .... IF (and they will not) offered their #1 (MLB #14) Pache (CF hitting in AA with elite speed and defense) might make sense. Would even consider their #4 (MLB #44) Waters (CF also hitting well in AA). But if they just offer what they have a major excess of ... pitching ... would just prefer to work through our own prospects.

Saw one national opinion that Yates may be worth a player near the bottom of the Top 100 ... not an elite prospect.

Trading Yates is easy ... getting a return that improves the 2020 or even the farm system measurably may not be. Don't hold your breath on this one.

Quote from BoosterSD on June 24, 2019, 5:05 pm

I agree with the prospects that you listed, which is why I used the word quality. If I was referring to trades earlier in the process; such as the Kimbrel trade, I would have used quantity.

Many of the national guys I listen to, think a great haul for Yates is possible. So if it is not Pache, then it is possible to get a young high quality arm ready for 2020, and Waters IMO. And that could be a win for both teams.

Quote from Commie on June 24, 2019, 6:09 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 24, 2019, 1:48 pm

Quote from David Nevin on June 24, 2019, 10:53 am

Wisler and Maton are just not good enough.

May as well start using guys like Diaz,Megill,Munoz,Radke...even Morejon,Cosme,and Evan Miller

Castillo when he's ready.

Steven Wilson?

I'd just as soon give Maton and Wislers 40 man spots to a couple of these guys.

Especially Radke.....the guys 26 and has done nothing but get hitters out the last few seasons.

Whats the hold up giving this guy a shot?

 

Agree the bullpen needs a lot of help ... not sure the prospects are yet ready ... tough spot for the organization.

Have been off Maton for some time now and Wisler slider is quality but that is it and his command is a problem. Both may be on life support at his point. G.Reyes is clearly inconsistent ... Stock can't find the plate most of the time ... Diaz runs hot and cold. Not sure were the health of Warren stands but he was not that good either.

Would expect Quantrill to remain up in the pen (spot start) and should see Erlin and Diaz back up sooner than later. Could really use Castillo to rebound healthy (but that may be still in question). Would not be surprised to see Lamet recalled to the pen (always that he could really excel in that role). If I were to guess ... once the Padres really drop out of the WC race we could see some DFAs out of the pen and maybe one of the potential RULE 5 eligible prospect get their shot first then let ST be the showcase for the others (such as Wilson).

As for Radke ... saw him in ST and looked like a good minor league arm ... LH with no velocity but not really an upgrade to the current crop of RP.

Lamet is a two pitch pitcher unless the surgeon implanted a change of something. Really like to see them move him to closer.  Has a bit of an intimidating presence too.

Love the use of Quantrill to pen for now.  Wouldn't mind seeing Strahm there too, at least for a while.  He is a passable SP but he is dominant in the pen.  Would create need for another SP though.

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 24, 2019, 7:28 pm

Radke is 26 and has done nothing but perform for 5 years in the minors.

ERA’s for the last 3 seasons.....

.180

.194

.183

Are they waiting for him to turn 30?

Surely he can’t be worse than Maton or Wisler.

I agree we should use Quantrill and Strahm in the Pen.

Strahm will run out of innings before end of season anyway.

But that would require finding at least one more quality Starter for the rotation.

Is Allen up for good?

edit:I saw Bryan Mitchell pitched 2 innings today.😱

Quote from fenn68 on June 25, 2019, 6:46 am

Baring a total failure by Allen and Quantrill they should be up for the duration (neither are innings constrained based on last seasons worked) while Paddack and Strahm are both limited.

Getting the sense the 2nd half will be a creative mix and match of SP options plus strategic use of off days. Lucchesi and Lauer should go out regularly and, if the pitch well, we should see a lot of starts out of Allen and Quantrill. That could be the core four then Paddack and Strahm get more limited starts for the 5th spot. Actually that would be good for getting ML SP experience for these guys to help make decisions on 2020.

Do expect Lamet up but coming off TJ ...limited innings and maybe in the same mode of RP and spot starts.

That would be 7 then add Yates, Stammen, Wingenter, and Perdomo to get to 11 leaving open two more RP slots with Erlin and Diaz likely call-up to supplant Wisler (DFA) and Maton (optioned). Castillo is the wild card ... if healthy he would be added probably bumping Wieck. Plus lurking in the background are Warren (still injured) and Stock (just ineffective) and could be DFA candidates.

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 25, 2019, 9:32 am

After these 2 games with Balt, Pads likely to make multiple pen-related moves, but also have to navigate a 10-games in a row stretch before the break which typically has meant using a 6th SP at some point.  Could see some funky moves going into LAD series, because only a 3-game set (Home vs. Braves) followed by an off day AFTER the break... so could go 4 SP, RP heavy (OR Urias?) before/after ASB

1. Miguel Diaz eligible to return.  Guess: Maton down
2. Robbie Erlin eligible to return.  The obvious choice is Quantrill, but my guess is Wieck down, with Erlin being used more as a vs. LH guy.  Less likely is giving up on Wisler, but don't think they do that (yet).
3. Dinelson Lamet ready to activate on/before 7/3 vs SF.   The logical move is for Pads to option Strahm down after his NEXT start vs SF on 7/2 here...  By then he could already be over the 75 IP last year; likely MAX in 115-125 range. He would be eligible to return 1st series vs. Braves after the break.  If they decide to wait till after break, then Quantrill likely 6th SP.
4. COULD send Lamet down after his start to add pen arm OR Urias? vs LAD
5. COULD see other moves going into break, such as Quantrill down to build back up as SP option...

Quote from fenn68 on June 25, 2019, 10:25 am

Well the pitching carousel should be interesting for the next couple of weeks ... and after the All-Star break as the trade deadline looms.

Don't see Urias fitting in ... yet ... frankly the Kinsler / Garcia combo at 2B has been productive in the last 30 days (5th in the NL in defense at 2B and 10th in offense). While the Padres are still theoretically in WC contention, stick with the veterans while they are producing and if they fall out by the trade deadline ... maybe a market for Kinsler (think Cleveland or Texas both in WC contention and struggling at 2B).

Potentially the key is when (if) the Padres declare themselves out of the WC race and decide to start making moves for 2020. That should be in a month or less and may shape some of their near term moves. If they become clear sellers ... could see Stammen and maybe some of the other fringe RP moved to open space. Wisler out of minor league options could just DFA then consider adding someone like Munoz (will need to be on the 40 man this winter). If they think they are in then more an assessment of who is most reliable NOW and deal with the roster at the end of the season ... unless the trade to ADD pitching (not out of the question).  Padres are only 3 games out of the last WC slot (but there is a big shot group in that zone) and 3 months to go. Guessing trying to win now is the prime objective and hard to know their view of how to handle the options.

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 25, 2019, 10:41 am

What are the chances they move Paddack and Strahm to the Pen to control their innings and put Quantrill back in the rotation along with a revolving door for the 5th spot?

Or are we going to get a steady diet of Bryan Mitchell starting soon with Strahm/Paddack  getting sent down?