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#1071 · September 19, 2019, 12:15 pm
Syndergaard is becoming poison. He is that last thing this team needs. He makes excuses for his problems and he whines and bitches like a child. That is not what we need to lead this rotation, to be an example for them to emulate. Plus, his value is at an all time low and the Mets still need/expect to win any trade for him. Quantrill and Morejon would not be close to getting the deal done, and I would not trade the two of them for him at this point anyway. I believe Quantrill will have a better career than Noah from this point on.
#1072 · September 19, 2019, 1:08 pm
Which is why I was sure to say he was just an example of what I thought we should do "if" we were to pursue a Starter.
Instead I'm afraid that we will add more arms that aren't a significant upgrade from Quantril/Luchessi/Lauer and just further exasperate our Roster issue.
Trade 2 or 3 young arms for one that will be an obvious upgrade....even if it is just a 2 year guy.
It's time to win.
2020-2024 I believe is our window.
We don't need to inch it open....we need to sling it open and make a run for it.
Otherwise.....stick to improving the offense and leave the pitching alone.
This is why I question any "expert" who lists three things we should do and two of them are add a Starter and add a Catcher?
Makes no sense.
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#1073 · September 19, 2019, 1:09 pm
That was so incredibly awesome to see Lamet dominating like that against the Brewers. I was at the spring training game when he hurt his arm and it was tough to see him go down. Paddack ending a phenomenal rookie campaign and Richards showing us he’s still got the ACE stuff definitely makes me feel good about the 2020 rotation. My concern is all 3 have had significant arm injuries and TJ. Paddack, Lamet and Richards haven’t had huge workloads and banking on all 3 to last through a season is wishful thinking. I like Joey and still believe in Quantrill, but both have their issues. I don’t see the Pads spending big in FA on a pitcher with so many young guns waiting in the wings and future stars to lock up. I’ve been on board with cashing in some prospect capitol for a starter like Thor to anchor the staff for a couple years. I think it would be ideal to have an ACE carrying the load until Gore, Patino, Paddack can takeover as the future big 3. Does Cole Hamels on a 2 year deal interest madfriars at all? He’s not an ace by any means, but the guy can still pitch, has World Series experience and I think he would be a nice addition slotting in a young rotation.
#1074 · September 19, 2019, 1:14 pm
Quote from David Nevin on September 19, 2019, 1:08 pmWhich is why I was sure to say he was just an example of what I thought we should do "if" we were to pursue a Starter.
Instead I'm afraid that we will add more arms that aren't a significant upgrade from Quantril/Luchessi/Lauer and just further exasperate our Roster issue.
Trade 2 or 3 young arms for one that will be an obvious upgrade....even if it is just a 2 year guy.
It's time to win.
2020-2024 I believe is our window.
We don't need to inch it open....we need to sling it open and make a run for it.
Otherwise.....stick to improving the offense and leave the pitching alone.
This is why I question any "expert" who lists three things we should do and two of them are add a Starter and add a Catcher?
Makes no sense.
Nailed it Mr. P! The 2020 Padres need to be playing for a playoff spot in September.
#1075 · September 19, 2019, 3:06 pm
2 or 3 prospect arms? We need a true ace if we need anything. A true ace will cost us Gore and Patino both at a minimum. Probably more. There are no cheap, available aces laying around. Any trade we could make for one would end up being a net loss for us. It's just a bad idea. Signing Hamels will not help much, if at all. What, just to eat innings? Our young pitchers need the innings to build up their arms and help them prove themselves and learn at the major league level. We are at the very beginning of our competitive window. We will not win the WS next year. Let's not waste 5 years of Gore, Patino and or whoever for two years of someone who will not be as good.
#1076 · September 19, 2019, 3:46 pm
Woah Jason.
No one was suggesting we trade Gore.....or even Patino.
Also not expecting anyone to trade a true Ace.
But there should be some quality #2 type Starters that a good package of prospects could get.
Or better yet we stick with adding offense....
#1077 · September 19, 2019, 4:04 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on September 18, 2019, 9:34 pm
- We have an ace and his name is Paddack. He pitches like one and he can beat anyone. Lament has ace stuff without a doubt. He just doesn't pitch like it consistently enough to be one. He only has a year and a half of time in mlb. He can still get better. If he can pitch like today on a regular basis he is awesome. Quantrill looks like a consistent sub 4.00 ERA, plus pitcher. That plus Richards is a hell of a staff. That doesn't even include Gore and Patino, who could both be great, or Lauer and Lucchesie who are both average. This staff could be one of the best in 2 years.
Jason I think we all are in agreement about Paddack, Lamet and Richards. Just looking at injury history, workload history are you sure we can rely on all 3 to make it through an entire season? I sure hope so, but I think that will be a big “if” hanging over the success of the 2020 Padres. I’m with you on Cal, I’ve been high on him even through his minor league struggles. He’s got top notch stuff, he’s smart and pairing him with Balsley he’s shown us he can pitch at the big league level. That being said, I’m not willing to just pencil him into the 4 spot of the rotation for a team that’s supposed to competing next year. I prefer Joey to Lauer, but both guys are solid 4-5 types. I just think one gets dealt this offseason due to the wave of better arms entering and on the horizon for the rotation spots. A rotation of Paddack, Lamet, Richards, Quantrill, Joey would be solid, but it would still have question marks. You add a Thor type in front of Paddack I think it makes this rotation a dominant one in 2020,2021. I’m excited as hell about Patino and Gore, but they aren’t close to giving you 170-180 innings at the big league level. I think Paddack will be an ace in 2020 and can give the Pads 170-180 innings, but even that is reasonably questionable.
#1078 · September 19, 2019, 4:14 pm
Jason, for the record I don’t think Preller would even remotely think about dealing Patino or Gore for Thor. You seem the think that teams would only want the Padres top 5 prospects in a trade, but the reality is this Padres system is extremely deep. Morejon, Weathers are number 2 or 3 prospects in other organizations. Outfielders like Rosario and shortstops like Arias are top ten guys on other teams. Preller has built a very nice war chest in prospects and talented young ML talent and he can’t just hoard them forever. There is a 40 man crunch around the corner, tons of talent stocked in the system and we’ve been told for years to wait for 2020. It wasn’t Mr. P or Fenn or Booster who said wait until 2020, IT WAS THE ORGANIZATION! 2020 cant be another let’s see what we got year, they need win and be in the hunt.
#1079 · September 19, 2019, 4:25 pm
I agree with you on most of what you have said. I have not heard any talk about a trade of Lauer. I think we still need 6 starters next year, just to start with. Lauer, Lucchesie, Paddack and Quantrill will all be off of innings limits I believe. Richards and Lamet will probably still have them. Gore, Patino and Bolanos can fill in the rest. We will only be able to compete when they are all can be counted on for a full year. It's just that everyone here seems to think it will be easy to get an ace. Nobody trades one for anything less than premium talent. I went on the Mets blog yesterday. They expect to get a prospect AT LEAST as good as Tatis, along with a reliever and another solid prospect. Think Gore, Munoz and Campusano. Is there any starter in the game that would be worth that much to us? Is we didn't get a starter at the deadline we almost surely aren't going to get one this off season. I think we should go with what we have and wait 2 years. Our competitive window doesn't open when everyone we need to rely on are all rookies or second year players.
#1080 · September 19, 2019, 4:39 pm
Do you think Preller failed to offer Morejon, Weathers, Rosario and Arias this trade deadline? He would have happily parted with all 4 in exchange for Thor. The Mets did not want them. You have to trade multiple top 100 prospects to get anything of value. None of those guys are top 100. A trade hurts both sides. If the Mets made that trade their fan base would riot. Those prospects are good. They are not premium.