Quote from BoosterSD on January 18, 2021, 5:23 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2021, 5:03 pm

Well ... the icing on the cake?

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Padres are not simply addressing their pitching. Per sources, they are still trying to re-sign free-agent IF/OF Jurickson Profar.

At this point, I dont get any excitement for Profar at all. I know he is a switch hitter, and can play 4 or 5 positions, I just dont like his bat. I mean he only had a really good Sept/Oct. And most of that was Sept because Pham came back. His July was horrific, and his August was just meh at best. He was really good via LHP last season, but isnt that what Kim is for?

Its not my money so; whatever, but is he really the best option for SD and that money??

 

Quote from Ben Davey on January 18, 2021, 5:39 pm

With the Musgrave deal, you are taking a former WS winner (with the Astros) who was the Pirates ace last year and slotting him in as your #4 starter.  His intangibles/sabermetrics show that he was one of the top 30 pitchers in all of baseball.  He has two years of control left at a fairly cost effective salary.

Really, the only player given up that might sting in the long run was Head.  But he hadnt played above rookie ball.  Bednar and Joey Fuego arnt horrible but they had no place on the 2021 team.  Omar Cruz isnt a bad prospect, but looks like a #4/5 starter in the big leagues and is also 3 years away.

IMO this is Preller seeing that we lost to the Dodgers because we had Davies and nothin last year, went out, and got a playoff rotation while only giving up one top 100 prospect (Patino).

Quote from Ben Davey on January 18, 2021, 5:48 pm

If the Padres are trying to resign Profar it is because they think there will be a DH this year.  As of now your #1 DH would probably either Cro or Kim (whichever isnt at 2nd).  That doesnt leave much for platoons or late game PH (assuming Campy doesnt make the OD roster).  So who does that leave, Mateo (only use will be for the late inning stolen base), O'Grady (had 5 AB total last year), Jorge Ona?

DH because it would allow Profar to get semi-regular AB between LF/DH/2B which is probably a stipulation to him signing anywhere.  Plus if no DH I would think the Padres would go after the more PH type players that are a HR or K off the bench.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 18, 2021, 6:09 pm

If you have the DH, then you dont really need to PH/platoon very often anyway. And if you have the DH, go get a real DH, like Cruz, who I have heard rumor SD has checked in with, in case of the DH. And IMO, Pham is a better DH option that Profar, or you could go get a real OFer instead of light bat Profar faking it in the OF. We have plenty of INF help on this roster. Need a real OF IMO, and that is not Profar.

And with this roster, and now, expectations, Campusano nor Ona should not in anyway make the OD roster and get the whole year in the MiL getting much needed experience.

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2021, 6:20 pm

OK with re-signing Profar (depending on the price).

His bat is good enough and his defensive versatility is ... in my mind ... critical over a 162 games schedule. More specifically the OF if one of Pham-Grisham-Myers go down ... zero faith in O'Grady - Mateo - Ona to perform on a ML contender. (think the Kim - Cronenworth due covers the INF issues).

With a DH .... Profar showed plus defense in LF while Pham did not and should head to DH (a lot). However, expect the DH to be a mix and match once they get to mid-season with "regulars" getting DH time and Kim/Cronenworth playing in the field for INF and Profar serving that role when the DH is an OF.

Past Kim/Cronenworth don't think the Padres have a bench worthy of a contender and zip coming in minors for 2021 ... 162 games / 6 months will result in injuries and the need for regulars to get days off ... that is the formula that made the LAD formidable with a strong bench.

Could we think of a better alternative ... probably .... but at what price and would a better option settle for a bench role ... probably not. Not sure that Profar will unless his other offers are not that compelling.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 18, 2021, 6:30 pm

With Machada, Tatis, KimCro, and Hosmer along with Caratini and Nola the INF is completely covered. Profar, with his defensive woes in the INF, should never touch the INF dirt unless he is rounding the bases batting.

So that leaves OF, and there is nobody better defensively; especially for CF, than Profar? Light hitting Profar?? This is a man crush that Preller has for Profar, and he is not a good fit for this SD team. Find a real OFer that has a better than Profar, not really that difficult IMO. Who wouldnt want to play on this team, especially now!

 

Quote from Brian Connelly on January 18, 2021, 6:39 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 18, 2021, 4:08 pm

Ok I like Musgrove but someone explain how he’s “Head/Cruz/Bednar” better than Lucchesi.

 

P                         Dates                    G/GS            IP     H    ER   BB   K   WHIP    ERA   BAA

Joey                  All 2020                 3/2              5.2    13      5     2     5      2.65      7.94     .464

Musgrove        Sept 2020               5/5           25.0    18      6      5   38    0.92      2.16      .198

Musgrove        last 2 games           2/2            13.0      6      0     2   21     0.62      0.00     .154

Musgrove missed August with a triceps strain.  He then went 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 IP as he stretched out in Sept.

Joey was sent to Alt site after 2 starts, made a 1/3 inning cameo, and was one of very few guys left off the playoff roster (along with Bednar).

Musgrove is AT LEAST the 4th best SP on staff now, Joey was probably 7th or 8th pre-trade.  I had Bednar as the 12th best (healthy) RP out of 12 on the roster, and our #42 prospect.  While I know some are high on Omar Cruz (MLB.com has him #17 after the other trades) I had him #40 pre-trades...   "Cruz has the makings of a future back-of-the-rotation starter in the big leagues."  Fellows is a non-rated prospect throw in.

The real "get" is Head.  I had him #10 pre-trades (between Cole Wilcox & Blake Hunt).   Clearly 5-tool potential, but not in the top 100 as Hassell is (better hit tool & sustained record).  Seeing those 2 side by side at the Alt site at the earliest stage of their development & given where the team is may have made Head a painful but acceptable loss.

This is somewhere between a very very good and a phenomenal trade for the Padres, depending on if Musgrove can repeat the breakout he demonstrated last Sept.

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 18, 2021, 6:40 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2021, 4:08 pm

Well the Padres are really going for it in 2021-22. They gave up a lot of potential for 2 years of Musgrove (currently at $4.45MM). Head though is the only real upside guy in my view.

If Musgrove is the pitcher he was last season down the stretch a steal for the Padres and if he is just his career history ... still OK for the upside gamble for an innings eater that should not be worse than a 4.00 ERA.

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This should lock all the prospect SP to minor league duty for further development ... that is good. Actually gives them maybe 2 years of additional development since all the 2021 SP are slated to return in 2022 and Clevinger returns.

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Opens a roster spot with + Musgrove and - Lucchesi and Bednar. Added $5MMish .... does that leave money for another add (RP/bench player)?

If the Padres were “considering” Tanaka or Sugano over $10MM/yr .... should be some more room.

I hope you’re right but he’s only had one season at 4.00 or lower and it was the 2020 short season.

Is everyone assuming that’s the new Musgrove?

I’m not saying it isn’t.....but are we sure?

I saw where he used his fastball less and it worked.....but is that sustainable over a full 162 season?

I guess we’re gonna find out.

 

Quote from Randy Manese on January 18, 2021, 7:48 pm

Back on December 19, I mentioned that MLB network's Hot Stove had done a comparison between Musgrove and Sonny Gray and basically found them comparable.  It seems many of the baseball pundits also are predicting a break-out year for Musgrove in 2021 making him worth the investment of a few prospects who will remain prospects for several years to come.  This acquisition takes a lot of pressure off Gore, Morejon and Weathers to be ready to go in ST and, depending upon Lamet's health, gives Paddack more time (as the 5th starter) to develop his craft.

Hate to give up on Head but he's not Hassell or Abrams although he has the potential to be a very good player one day.  By that time, I hope we have others in the pipeline that could fill that role but the window for challenging for playoff opportunities must always come first.