Quote from fenn68 on March 24, 2022, 4:06 pm

Now Preller likes multi-team deals. Then speculate that Melvin is not the kind of manager that would appreciate Snell’s coming to camp in less than top shape. Add that Gore is hot … Paddack is healthy … and Martinez was signed to be a SP: one gets #5 but could another displace Snell who most are frustrated with for his 2021 performance and short outings.

Would the team be better right out of ST (and therefore win more games) if they dealt Snell to a pitching needing contender for a prospect(s) then in turn flip those prospects to a 3rd team for a LF … maybe some other pieces go in every direction but not major pieces?

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 24, 2022, 10:51 pm

Use Snell to get Reynolds via a 3r team deal

Quote from BoosterSD on March 25, 2022, 7:24 am

Quote from fenn68 on March 24, 2022, 4:06 pm

Now Preller likes multi-team deals. Then speculate that Melvin is not the kind of manager that would appreciate Snell’s coming to camp in less than top shape. Add that Gore is hot … Paddack is healthy … and Martinez was signed to be a SP: one gets #5 but could another displace Snell who most are frustrated with for his 2021 performance and short outings.

Would the team be better right out of ST (and therefore win more games) if they dealt Snell to a pitching needing contender for a prospect(s) then in turn flip those prospects to a 3rd team for a LF … maybe some other pieces go in every direction but not major pieces?

 

No, when he is right, he is a dominant LHP. That is going to be vital when facing the LAD this season, with Freeman, Muncy, Bellinger, and the other LHH that LAD has. Especially with the way SPs went down last season for SD.

Seidler has the money, dont worry about the penalties right now and just sign Conforto. Then we can tweak the roster around the deadline. If doing well, go chips in. If faltering, then sell off some higher salaries and to reset the tax level.

Quote from Randy Manese on March 25, 2022, 8:56 am

That was the question I had, i.e., when is the tax level set?  If not until the end of the season going into the next season, then it seems we can sign Conforto.  It will have an impact on our draft position, however, we get an extra draft pick before the second round.  Looks like the upcoming draft has many players with relatively equal skills, so that may not be too bad a penalty this year.

I agree - keep Snell and hope he finishes like last year before he got hurt.  Believe Niebla is going to get the best out of him like he did many Cleveland pitchers in the past.

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2022, 10:04 am

Any idea what kind of contract Conforto is holding out for? He turned down the QO at about $18MM, so likely he is going to push to be in that range ... just no team seems to want to go there even if they are not in the CBT penalty zone. I guess even if an $18MM contract seems in the zone (even coming off an injury plague poor season) ... is losing a teams 2nd pick that much of a block? If Conforto is holding out for a high AAV 1 year deal to get back on the FA market next winter after proving his value is greater (and without the QO drag) ... that is good for him but not so sure the buying team wants all the risk for that price and a draft pick.

Now Boras is creative, so might see a contract that is "reasonable" in 2022 and player options for future years (at one price .... probably lower (in case he tanks) and club options for future years (but at a higher price tag if he is successful). Basically he can decline the low option and get overruled by the club picking the high option. Side: no idea how dueling options are calculated in the AAV world (probably not and go with the 2022 amount only?)

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IF the Padres actually like Conforto (no idea) that could work. The loss of the 38th pick in the draft is not that critical. As for the tax ... and if the AAV sits at $20MM ... based on where they stand now the penalty would be around $4.5MM (not a big thing). Padres would be sitting about $15MM over the $230MM threshold leaving only $5MM (for deadline deals) before going to the 42% level (I think).

Given the Padres push to contend for a playoff berth in 2022 and the offense issue without Tatis and really no LF ... hard to see why they would not go this route UNLESS the issue is on Conforto / Boras' side demanding a bigger / long term deal.

 

Quote from BoosterSD on March 25, 2022, 10:17 am

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2022, 10:04 am

IF the Padres actually like Conforto (no idea) that could work. The loss of the 38th pick in the draft is not that critical. As for the tax ... and if the AAV sits at $20MM ... based on where they stand now the penalty would be around $4.5MM (not a big thing). Padres would be sitting about $15MM over the $230MM threshold leaving only $5MM (for deadline deals) before going to the 42% level (I think).

Given the Padres push to contend for a playoff berth in 2022 and the offense issue without Tatis and really no LF ... hard to see why they would not go this route UNLESS the issue is on Conforto / Boras' side demanding a bigger / long term deal.

 

I would have to imagine at this point in time, Boras/Conforto are looking are still trying to get a contract inline with his 2017-2019 numbers and not his 2020-2021 numbers where he did not perform well and was often injured.

MLBTR just posted something where it really looks like he is running out of teams that could/would sign him and teams that have an ability and a spot for him.

So, a SD/Conforto agreement just makes too much sense. Both Preller and Boras are creative, and could see something together. Although, Boras probably looks at SD and thinks he has the bargaining power, no great LF option on the roster. Preller looks at Conforto, and is probably thinking, there are no good teams left for you, and Preller has the bargaining power. A little Mexican standoff, who is going to blink first???

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 25, 2022, 10:34 am

18.5 million and loss of a draft pick for a one year rental?

Conforto is not the final piece that puts this team over the top…fills a spot…sure but the cost far outweighs any return….cbt penalty, draft pick, salary that comes with a injury history….Conforto should have taken the QO because he isn’t going to get better imho

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2022, 10:34 am

Also, Preller may still be working hard on a trade option that maybe yields lower AAV / longer control than the Conforto option.

If they will lose the #38 draft pick with Conforto ... trading a similar prospect is a push and then adding some prospects to avoid most of the Conforto dollars (leaving some flexibility for the trade deadline) might be better.

Conforto's bounce back is a risk ... whomever they trade for is a risk ... so some sort of debate on relative risks (upside / downside) vs. cost.

Conforto starts losing money on the April 7th ... so some pressure there.

Quote from fenn68 on March 25, 2022, 10:46 am

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 25, 2022, 10:34 am

18.5 million and loss of a draft pick for a one year rental?

Conforto is not the final piece that puts this team over the top…fills a spot…sure but the cost far outweighs any return….cbt penalty, draft pick, salary that comes with a injury history….Conforto should have taken the QO because he isn’t going to get better imho

I never understood the turning down of the QO after a poor season (unless there was something else going on with the METS). If he wanted 1 year to rebuild his why not take the $18MM and do it with the METS? Maybe he and Boras thought they could still get a long term deal for the big money with teams ignoring the bad season ... apparently wrong. The fallback of a 1 year deal does not appeal to teams it seems at his price. The long term deal may be out there but at a lot less than his plan. He is running out of time.

Sort of why my funky agreement of multi year competing player / club options may just be the best alternative for him. What are his other choices!