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Quote from WindsorUK on March 21, 2022, 9:54 am
Quote from lafnboy13 on March 21, 2022, 9:02 am
Quote from fenn68 on March 21, 2022, 6:56 am

Some interesting rumors surrounding the Padres and Austin Meadows for TB. Should not they are very “inconsistent” in valuation of both Meadows and/or Padre prospects.

What may be kicking up the rumors … beyond ST in rapidly passing … is that two other teams that were “in on” Meadows have taken other actions … BOST (Story) and PHIL (Castellanos). Yet, some suggest that TB has all the leverage knowing Padres have a big need and no alternatives. Others are suggesting that TB would like to move Meadows (and his contract) for prospects and have run out of buyers giving leverage to SD.

Couple that with TB is selling the 2019 Meadows were he was a very productive vs the buyers looking at the 2020-21 Meadows who was very “average” offensively and a below average defender.

If you are in the TB camp, the return includes the likes of Weathers, plus … if you are in the Padres camp … maybe the likes of Merrill, plus (basically prospects far from ML ready .. eg in the Lange mode for Voit).

Neither side must make the deal … so IF it happens wonder the middle ground.

If Abrams continues to impress I'd really like to see him in LF to start the season

Why not SS?

Clearly Abrams has a great future but may not want to get too excited about his showing in the first three games of ST. Not sure want to throw him into the ML prematurely and would rather get him to to stay up.

Put him at SS in AAA ... see if Kim can handle SS until Tatis returns (if he returns). I would still want to see Abrams produce in AAA for a few months before try to dump him on a contender. IF Kim fails and Tatis' return is not imminent .... a mid-season call-up of Abrams as SS would be the best option to win.

 

Report from SDUT ... Fowler has sold all his interest in Padres ... no longer associated with the organization.

Don't know who bought them (unless it is Seidler's group). Fowler had stepped back after 2020 but still did the CBA negotiations. At age 77 was planning on easing off (said that was the plan when he first bought in) ... could be estate planning at that age.

Padres invested a lot of money in Kim and he's not really had the opportunity to play over an extended period of time.  He's got far more experience and can probably handle the ups and downs of being a major league hitter far better than someone who has less than 400 professional AB's.  Abrams is very good, but he is not the next Tatis - maybe Tim Anderson?  He needs to be nurtured and we need to find out if he can play both the OF and 2b - you don't want to do that at the major league level.

Last year, I was at games where unfortunately Tatis got hurt and Kim came in off the bench.  He made some great plays in hit well in several of those games and in fact was the key person in winning those games.  If he fails, would think they would go back to Croney with Profar going to second but I don't think Kim will "fail".

For the above reasons, my thoughts are that we need another OF, one that can play CF adequately if needed, rather than another bench INF.

 

 

 

I'm a fan of Kim's and hope he can assemble a somewhat respectable 3 months as our starting SS. Honestly, with the contributions he'll make with his glove I'm not really all that worried about his spot. LF, on the other hand, desperately needs to be addressed. I have full faith that Preller is doing his best to find the right match.

What I hope, though, is that he's not being too picky about it. If Reynolds, for instance, would cost us Hassell, Campy, and a couple lower level prospects, I pull that trigger. The way he's built this roster (and especially this pitching staff) means his window is now. A slight overpay might be necessary to get all the pieces in place for a true run, especially considering how competitive the best teams in the NL will be this season.

That said, if I'm overpaying for someone, I'd rather it be Reynolds than Meadows...

Quote from sportwarrior on March 21, 2022, 11:28 am

I'm a fan of Kim's and hope he can assemble a somewhat respectable 3 months as our starting SS. Honestly, with the contributions he'll make with his glove I'm not really all that worried about his spot. LF, on the other hand, desperately needs to be addressed. I have full faith that Preller is doing his best to find the right match.

What I hope, though, is that he's not being too picky about it. If Reynolds, for instance, would cost us Hassell, Campy, and a couple lower level prospects, I pull that trigger. The way he's built this roster (and especially this pitching staff) means his window is now. A slight overpay might be necessary to get all the pieces in place for a true run, especially considering how competitive the best teams in the NL will be this season.

That said, if I'm overpaying for someone, I'd rather it be Reynolds than Meadows...

Agree but really doubt Pitt moves Reynolds now for anything except their asking price. Reynolds an All-Star at league minimum cost with 4 years control ... zero urgency to deal him unless it is at their price ... and that probably starts with Abrams and may be Abrams and Hassell plus. Don't see a lot of negotiation at this point.

Trade deadline (if a team is more desperate) or next winter ... still 3 years control at a bargain basement cost will appeal.

So, Meadows may be the only OF worth pursuing ... just don't know what that is worth to the Padres in terms of prospects. Of course, with zero rumors, Conforto on a creative deal is not out of the question. The recent deals for Correa, Story, Soler all have had some creative flexibility built in ... if the Padres will gamble that 2021 was an aberration and with Scott Boras his agent ... plus apparently few other active bidders ... maybe.

Quote from WindsorUK on March 21, 2022, 9:54 am
Quote from lafnboy13 on March 21, 2022, 9:02 am
Quote from fenn68 on March 21, 2022, 6:56 am

Some interesting rumors surrounding the Padres and Austin Meadows for TB. Should not they are very “inconsistent” in valuation of both Meadows and/or Padre prospects.

What may be kicking up the rumors … beyond ST in rapidly passing … is that two other teams that were “in on” Meadows have taken other actions … BOST (Story) and PHIL (Castellanos). Yet, some suggest that TB has all the leverage knowing Padres have a big need and no alternatives. Others are suggesting that TB would like to move Meadows (and his contract) for prospects and have run out of buyers giving leverage to SD.

Couple that with TB is selling the 2019 Meadows were he was a very productive vs the buyers looking at the 2020-21 Meadows who was very “average” offensively and a below average defender.

If you are in the TB camp, the return includes the likes of Weathers, plus … if you are in the Padres camp … maybe the likes of Merrill, plus (basically prospects far from ML ready .. eg in the Lange mode for Voit).

Neither side must make the deal … so IF it happens wonder the middle ground.

If Abrams continues to impress I'd really like to see him in LF to start the season

Why not SS?

With the money we in Kim I want to see some ROI in the infield. Abrams can stay in LF when Tatis returns and push Kim back to the bench with minimal disruption.

I'd like to see Kim get loads of AB's as well.

I believe he can be a solid offensive player( he's already a slick defender)

Quote from fenn68 on March 21, 2022, 12:25 pm
Quote from sportwarrior on March 21, 2022, 11:28 am

I'm a fan of Kim's and hope he can assemble a somewhat respectable 3 months as our starting SS. Honestly, with the contributions he'll make with his glove I'm not really all that worried about his spot. LF, on the other hand, desperately needs to be addressed. I have full faith that Preller is doing his best to find the right match.

What I hope, though, is that he's not being too picky about it. If Reynolds, for instance, would cost us Hassell, Campy, and a couple lower level prospects, I pull that trigger. The way he's built this roster (and especially this pitching staff) means his window is now. A slight overpay might be necessary to get all the pieces in place for a true run, especially considering how competitive the best teams in the NL will be this season.

That said, if I'm overpaying for someone, I'd rather it be Reynolds than Meadows...

Agree but really doubt Pitt moves Reynolds now for anything except their asking price. Reynolds an All-Star at league minimum cost with 4 years control ... zero urgency to deal him unless it is at their price ... and that probably starts with Abrams and may be Abrams and Hassell plus. Don't see a lot of negotiation at this point.

Trade deadline (if a team is more desperate) or next winter ... still 3 years control at a bargain basement cost will appeal.

So, Meadows may be the only OF worth pursuing ... just don't know what that is worth to the Padres in terms of prospects. Of course, with zero rumors, Conforto on a creative deal is not out of the question. The recent deals for Correa, Story, Soler all have had some creative flexibility built in ... if the Padres will gamble that 2021 was an aberration and with Scott Boras his agent ... plus apparently few other active bidders ... maybe.

Right. I forgot to mention that if Reynolds could be had for Campy + Hassell + change, we'd have probably done it already. You're right that it's highly unlikely he's moved at this point short of an eye popping return. Realistically we're looking at Conforto, Pham, or Meadows, it would seem (barring one of Preller's crazy out-of-nowhere acquisitions).

Saw a blurb on MLBTR were SD has expressed interest in Contreras, who is in his last season with the Cubs. Brings up many questions....

Preller realizes that we dont need 5 catchers on a 26 man roster, right?

IF they do have interest, could the follow up be these moves be possible.

Contreras becomes #1 Catcher, Alfaro becomes back up, and Campusano gets his chance for 2023. Then Nola and Caratini become trade foder for an additional move for our desperately needed OFer?

I’ve already seen enough from Kim in these few ST games to see he has not improved his swing.

Maybe we can survive until Tatis is back with his glove and a .220 avg.?

His uppercut is the same…as are the swings under the elevated fastball resulting in swing and miss or pop ups.

 

 

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