Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 16, 2019, 8:02 am

ACE? Aces dont get paid $17 per.. they get $30 per

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 16, 2019, 9:00 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 16, 2019, 7:46 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 16, 2019, 7:27 am

Quote from LynchMob on December 15, 2019, 9:42 pm

https://www.mlb.com/breaking-news/madison-bumgarner-deal-arizona-diamondbacks

The D-backs have landed themselves an ace.

MadBum is no longer an ace. I find it funny that the media is still playing him up as if he is an ace. Last season he finished the year with 3.90 ERA and a WHIP of 1.127, in probably the most pitcher friendly park in MLB. He would not even be our #2 this season, and in less than a year would be our #5 SP making $17M a year.

BTW, pitching in AZ, he will have an ERA closer to 5 than 4 this year.

Agree .. during 2019 the dialogue was about his declining in-season performance and peripherals BUT the media loves hyping the past performance of "stars".

5 years for a player on a decline trajectory at $17MM per by a team that is not in the near term catching the LAD (and maybe the Padres down then road ... hope) seems too optimistic.

Hold on.  With the escalation in SP cost, weren't we & others all projecting 5/100 like 3 days ago?  Now he gets 5/85 with 15 MM deferred =  5/70 = 14 MM AAV + 15 MM total "later", and it's a bad deal / overpay?

I wouldn't sell MadBum short.  Obviously not the stud #1 from 4-5 years ago, but in today's market that looks like a pretty good deal to me for a 30 y.o. SP with his pedigree > 200 IP last year.

If you HAD to choose one of these 3 guys, who would you pick AT THE DEAL THEY GOT, and assuming the financial constraints the Padres have:  Strasburg, Wheeler, or Bumgarner?  I think I'd have to go with MadBum...

The fantasy for me was to insert a guy at the top who's the #1 - #2 cornerstone of an elite SP rotation for the next 5 years.  But I always knew a more realistic scenario was an established vet who could step in as #1, provide 200 IP in 2020 & vet leadership / playoff experience, then progressively "slide" down the rotation annually:  #1, 2, 3, 4 over 4 yrs for example.... Dbacks can do that at a "real" AAV of 15-16 MM for MadBum.  In this market, it's #3 SP $.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 16, 2019, 10:02 am

Projecting him to "get it" and him being worth it can be two different things.

Like most deals it may prove a good one for the first couple seasons....it just depends on what the "last two" seasons look like that

will determine if he was worth it.

I would have loved Bumgarner on a 2-3 year deal...but I agree $17 for 5 is too much.

But he could certainly still be a solid #3 by 2024.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 16, 2019, 11:04 am

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 16, 2019, 9:00 am

If you HAD to choose one of these 3 guys, who would you pick AT THE DEAL THEY GOT, and assuming the financial constraints the Padres have:  Strasburg, Wheeler, or Bumgarner?  I think I'd have to go with MadBum...

The fantasy for me was to insert a guy at the top who's the #1 - #2 cornerstone of an elite SP rotation for the next 5 years.  But I always knew a more realistic scenario was an established vet who could step in as #1, provide 200 IP in 2020 & vet leadership / playoff experience, then progressively "slide" down the rotation annually:  #1, 2, 3, 4 over 4 yrs for example.... Dbacks can do that at a "real" AAV of 15-16 MM for MadBum.  In this market, it's #3 SP $.

If I had to choose, it would be Stras, even for the money. But realistically, it would be NONE. I dont want any of the 3 for the money they got, and MadBum was my last choice.

Our main objective is playoffs and beating the LAD to win the division. MadBum was 0-4 last year against the LAD, how does that help us? It doesnt!

As far as a veteran guy, we have him. Richards. Yes, he may not give us 200 innings, but he is going to do it for $8.5M this season. Even if you include last seasons $7M, that is still less than one year of MadBum.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 16, 2019, 11:35 am

Davies for $5 mil may be the steal of the off season.

If Grisham develops even better.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 16, 2019, 11:48 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 16, 2019, 11:35 am

Davies for $5 mil may be the steal of the off season.

If Grisham develops even better.

 

Davies should be at least as (PADRE) Maddux/Wells ..solid all around and at $5 mil a real steal

Quote from BoosterSD on December 18, 2019, 7:26 am

Our old buddy Matt Kemp just signed MiL deal with the Marlins. Championship!!! 🙂

 

Quote from BoosterSD on December 24, 2019, 12:59 pm

Unfortunately, I think the AZ Dbacks just made a really nice sign IMO picking up hometown guy Calhoun. Pretty friendly deal as well.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 26, 2019, 1:07 pm

"mid-to-high 90s four-seam fastball carries a 100th percentile spin rate, averaging 2,656 rpm. There were 517 pitchers who threw at least 100 four-seamers, and literally one, Angels reliever Luke Bard, finished at a higher clip. His curveball also featured 92nd percentile spin.

• Batters whiffed on 58% of their swings against His slider, MLB’s highest rate on that pitch by nearly four percentage points.

• All of that filth helped Him finish the year 12th in whiff-per-swing rate (min. 250 swings), right behind Gerrit Cole, and his strikeout rate was in the 84th percentile, right behind Stephen Strasburg."

 

Any guess of who this pitcher is?

He seems to have top 10 stuff in all of MLB..but finished 2019 with a 8.82 ERA allowing 70 hits in 49 innings including "17" home runs!

This is Milws. Corbin Burnes.

Just an example that spin rate and a top 10 pitch isn't enough to get ML batters out.

One of the best 4 seamers and sliders in the game....can't get anyone out.

Just thought it was curious.