Quote from WindsorUK on October 30, 2019, 1:12 am

Anyone care to wander into the Trae Turner fiasco from game 6?

Totally BS call. Turner never wavers from his line to the bag( as a right handed hitter, he'll ALWAYS start inside the line.) As he crossed, was directly over the middle of it.

Whichever rule they used to determine he was inside the baseline, wasn't appropriate. MLB needs to sort that out before it costs someone a game.

Quote from fenn68 on October 30, 2019, 5:08 am

Quote from WindsorUK on October 30, 2019, 1:12 am

Anyone care to wander into the Trae Turner fiasco from game 6?

Totally BS call. Turner never wavers from his line to the bag( as a right handed hitter, he'll ALWAYS start inside the line.) As he crossed, was directly over the middle of it.

Whichever rule they used to determine he was inside the baseline, wasn't appropriate. MLB needs to sort that out before it costs someone a game.

Bad rule but think “technically” correct. Turner had to be back in the running lane by the half way point but he only moved over at the end which can be interpreted as interfering with the throw / catch even if the last step is direct to the bench.

Still a bad rule / call. This has been a debate numerous times over the years. Not sure why they just make the running lane centered on the middle of the base which would be more consistent with the running lanes to the other bases.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 30, 2019, 6:02 am

Is it so hard to stay in your lane... Dude was out.. Rules are rules.. And thise dudes with Bats inbtheir hands should have been called out HR or not

Quote from BoosterSD on October 30, 2019, 6:58 am

Quote from WindsorUK on October 30, 2019, 1:12 am

Anyone care to wander into the Trae Turner fiasco from game 6?

Totally BS call. Turner never wavers from his line to the bag( as a right handed hitter, he'll ALWAYS start inside the line.) As he crossed, was directly over the middle of it.

Whichever rule they used to determine he was inside the baseline, wasn't appropriate. MLB needs to sort that out before it costs someone a game.

I can tell you as someone that has many friends that have made it very high up in the umpire ranks both in the pro and college level, and that has called extended Spring Training games myself, that was absolutely the correct call. There is no debating that HP Umpire called the ruled exactly as it is written. The problem was not where he crossed the bag, it is the line that he took to get to the bag. It is a rule that is there to protect the catcher or another player close to home plate and his ability to have an open lane to throw to 1B. I had the same call in an 18U game and almost had to run Kelly Stinnett because of the call. You can say the rule needs to be changed, and you are welcome to that opinion, but after a 100 years plus, the player really should know the rule.

 

Quote from LynchMob on October 30, 2019, 1:11 pm

There is so much interesting to this “controversy” about the call on Turner ... I think the majority opinion is “bad rule, bad call” ... which I 1/2 agree with and 1/2 disagree with ... I agree with "I don't like the rule" ... I disagree with "I think the call was wrong" ... I think the call was based upon the rule ... it's what I *WANT* an umpire to do ... so that now it's clearer to more people what the rule is and that maybe it's not the best that the rule can be (but maybe it is!).

In this case, it's VERY clear that, not only did he *not* "have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane" ... he *never* once stepped *one* foot in the lane!  And ... "in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base".

Watch what the ump does ... seems like perfect mechanics to me!  It's what we want the ump to do!  He should be being praised!

I think this is what "fake news" is ... if the "reporters" on the scene (Buck and Smoltz) know and communicate the facts (ie. quote the rule) right from the get go ... we, the baseball fan nation, are in a different place this morning.  Instead, they said what they thought the rule was (?), or what they want the rule to be (?), or ... the conspiracy theorists will say that they are following orders to stir up the most controversy, which gets better ratings!  Whatever ...

I think I get the argument about the "how/why can you reward a bad throw" ... the other twist on this argument, imo, is if he beat the throw!  In that case, when does it stop mattering that he wasn't in the lane?  But what I see is the reality that Turner "interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base".

If Turner takes the route to the bag that the rule (and his coaching, supposedly) says he should have ... would he have interfered with the fielder?  Would he still have beaten the throw to the bag?  I dunno ... and I think that's part of why the rule is what it is ... and why (I presume) the ump training on how to call the rule is what it is ...

When Dave Martinez taunts the ump with "Wait till you see the replay!" ... well ... my hope is that when Dave Martinez sees the replay, he'll see that Turner was not in the lane and the ump made the correct call and will apologize for his behavior ... he was wrong on more than one level.

Pretty interesting case study ... maybe it doesn't get resolved until a more fuzzy situation occurs ... where the runner has his right foot in the lane but not his left, for example ... or ... ideally ... both feet in the lane for most of the lane but his left foot clearly out of the lane on its last step before the bag! Ooo, that'd be a doozy!

PS. Harold gets it right … https://www.mlb.com/news/trea-turner-first-base-call-world-series-game-6

PPS. Chuck knows the rule ... and, I confess, at the time, I was glad they blew this call 🙂

PPPS.  Here's the rule ...

 

Rule 5.09(a) (11) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or inside (to the left of ) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

Rule 5.09(a)(11) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the threefoot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.

Quote from WindsorUK on October 30, 2019, 5:04 pm

Quote from LynchMob on October 30, 2019, 1:11 pm

There is so much interesting to this “controversy” about the call on Turner ... I think the majority opinion is “bad rule, bad call” ... which I 1/2 agree with and 1/2 disagree with ... I agree with "I don't like the rule" ... I disagree with "I think the call was wrong" ... I think the call was based upon the rule ... it's what I *WANT* an umpire to do ... so that now it's clearer to more people what the rule is and that maybe it's not the best that the rule can be (but maybe it is!).

In this case, it's VERY clear that, not only did he *not* "have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane" ... he *never* once stepped *one* foot in the lane!  And ... "in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base".

Watch what the ump does ... seems like perfect mechanics to me!  It's what we want the ump to do!  He should be being praised!

I think this is what "fake news" is ... if the "reporters" on the scene (Buck and Smoltz) know and communicate the facts (ie. quote the rule) right from the get go ... we, the baseball fan nation, are in a different place this morning.  Instead, they said what they thought the rule was (?), or what they want the rule to be (?), or ... the conspiracy theorists will say that they are following orders to stir up the most controversy, which gets better ratings!  Whatever ...

I think I get the argument about the "how/why can you reward a bad throw" ... the other twist on this argument, imo, is if he beat the throw!  In that case, when does it stop mattering that he wasn't in the lane?  But what I see is the reality that Turner "interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base".

If Turner takes the route to the bag that the rule (and his coaching, supposedly) says he should have ... would he have interfered with the fielder?  Would he still have beaten the throw to the bag?  I dunno ... and I think that's part of why the rule is what it is ... and why (I presume) the ump training on how to call the rule is what it is ...

When Dave Martinez taunts the ump with "Wait till you see the replay!" ... well ... my hope is that when Dave Martinez sees the replay, he'll see that Turner was not in the lane and the ump made the correct call and will apologize for his behavior ... he was wrong on more than one level.

Pretty interesting case study ... maybe it doesn't get resolved until a more fuzzy situation occurs ... where the runner has his right foot in the lane but not his left, for example ... or ... ideally ... both feet in the lane for most of the lane but his left foot clearly out of the lane on its last step before the bag! Ooo, that'd be a doozy!

PS. Harold gets it right … https://www.mlb.com/news/trea-turner-first-base-call-world-series-game-6

PPS. Chuck knows the rule ... and, I confess, at the time, I was glad they blew this call

PPPS.  Here's the rule ...

 

Rule 5.09(a) (11) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or inside (to the left of ) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

Rule 5.09(a)(11) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the threefoot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.

Rule 5.09(a) (11) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or inside (to the left of ) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

That's where the call breaks down for me.

The ball and Turner arrive at the bag at the same time. Turner is DIRECTLY  over the middle of the bag. As his left foot is about to touch down on the bag, Guriel thrusts his glove into Turner, as the throw from the pitcher hits Turner on the backside

I guess I disagree with Holbrook's judgement of the play.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on October 30, 2019, 5:16 pm

I just don't think that call should be made in the world series. Let's be honest, the throw was off-target. The 1B had to reach across the basepath to try to catch the ball. No matter whether Turner ran most of the way out of bounds or not, the 1B was not going to make the play. The umpire making that call changed the outcome. It could have changed the outcome of the game and therefore the World Series. The outcome of the whole season of competition between every team should not hinge on 4 men's opinions of what is "technically" the rules.

Quote from WindsorUK on October 30, 2019, 5:36 pm

The worst part of all this is AJ traded the kid for Wil Myers......ugh........

Quote from MrPadre19 on October 30, 2019, 5:39 pm

But that’s just it.....the call wasn’t made because of their “opinion”.

It was made based on how the rule is written......which is exactly their job.

The box is there for a reason.....if you run outside of the box and there is a collision at 1B with the ball,or the fielder...expect to be called out.

Solution.........run inside the box to 1B.

Simple.