Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 29, 2019, 10:55 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on November 29, 2019, 7:42 pm

What I was saying there is that we are the team in NEED. The team that WANTS is always at a disadvantage to those who HAVE. I personally think that 2 years of Gray is worth less than 6 years of Morejon on his own. Of course, Colorado would laugh at that trade. They can demand Patino. They can demand Patino AND Campusano. We can meet their price or walk away. It's just like Syndergaard. First they demanded Tatis plus more. Then they wanted Paddack or Gore plus more. You notice we do not have Syndergaard. If we want to get what we are looking for we have to pay THEIR price. THAT puts us at a disadvantage.

Well all tgings being equal AJP also can say we are willing to go Morejon + Campusano + Mena and Ornelas for xyz and then play 4 or 5 teams against each other for the 4 specs for 1 solid player that he likes from each of those teams .. Only 1 of those teams is going to end up with a "haul" so the team that says Yes 1st gets the nice haul the other 3 sit on theor hands and regret not getting the next Johnny Bench 4 yrs down the line .. It hurts thinking about it but the NL league pennants and the WS win make us feel Happy!

Quote from JasonE135 on November 30, 2019, 12:27 am

Every team will want different prospects and every major league player has a different value in prospects.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 30, 2019, 3:52 am

Quote from JasonE135 on November 30, 2019, 12:27 am

Every team will want different prospects and every major league player has a different value in prospects.

Well yeah.. But my thing was just generic.. The premise is still the point.... Sure we like that but can you replace x with y and z with w.. Sure we can.. The BASE for the deal is established and then the names on the deal can be agreed upon ..

 

Bottomline ONLY ONE team gets our prospects and if they are as good as advetized that team gets a huge leg up on their rebuild or their rebuild of their minor league system

Quote from fenn68 on November 30, 2019, 5:26 am

Except for the few prospects PRELLER views as being something elite ... and therefore very valuable to a longer term plan to contend (and keeping his job) he has said that building a farm system and having prospects to trade to build the most effective ML roster is part of his thinking. PRELLER has no issue with dealing from the prospect deck.

However, he has said he (and his staff) place differing values on the prospects .... as he does with his ML players and any trade target. No idea about their internal criteria to set that value ... but probably sorts them differently than most Top 30 team lists for prospects or national ratings of ML players.

Then, all the other teams have their own valuations, so if both teams are on the same page ... dealing is "easy". IF not, on to the next target.

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Since I don't buy into the scenario that extends Fowler's win or heads will roll PUBLIC rant translates into Preller being forced into ill advised deals to just win in 2019 (meaning contending for a playoff spot) or get fired ... I think Preller will basically stay the course of improvement for 2019 without diminishing (and more likely improving) 2021 and out. Hopefully Fowler is not that short sighted but expect Seidler will be the adult in the room (and the guy who will run the team sooner than later) to retain their plan for building a long term contending franchise.

Even if Preller "contends" in then in 2021-22 the team regresses ... his job is also at risk as his contract end after 2022. Since, with the current roster, I think they are positioned to show significant improvement. Machado settled in his 2nd year, Tatis for a full season, Davies / Richards in the rotation, Lamet for a full season, Pomeranz / Castillo added to the pen .... and AZ/COLO/SF who provide a lot of games to win are filled with their own issues ... seeing a push to .500 seems achievable (11 win improvement?).

So I expect Preller will be trading prospects and ML assets ... but his trade targets will players that have multiple season value as "significant upgrades" and that could be at the ML level starting in 2019 or more high ceiling prospects. Only when the Padres are clearly in the thick of the playoff run (maybe trade deadline) will Preller consider deals that are short term value but hopefully he has built a roster where that boost is not needed.

Quote from onlypads on November 30, 2019, 7:20 am

Sign Villar.  Dump Kinsler (less salary to eat therefore more palatable) with prospects (Nix + Buddy Reed + Marcano) to a team in rebuild who needs a stopgap.  Nix can addd ML SP depth, Buddy Reed can add upside (albeit low odds lottery ticket), and Marcano (legitimate prospect who is blocked). Clear roster space (R. 5 consideration). Keep Garcia. Net gain in salary (I think?) about 5mil and a much better 2B.

Quote from fenn68 on November 30, 2019, 8:03 am

Quote from onlypads on November 30, 2019, 7:20 am

Sign Villar.  Dump Kinsler (less salary to eat therefore more palatable) with prospects (Nix + Buddy Reed + Marcano) to a team in rebuild who needs a stopgap.  Nix can addd ML SP depth, Buddy Reed can add upside (albeit low odds lottery ticket), and Marcano (legitimate prospect who is blocked). Clear roster space (R. 5 consideration). Keep Garcia. Net gain in salary (I think?) about 5mil and a much better 2B.

No team is going to "pay" $4MM for those prospects ... No team wants Kinsler.

Quote from Randy Manese on November 30, 2019, 8:42 am

I agree with Fenn, there is virtually no team that is going to want to take on a 38 yr old 2b man with a 4 million salary.  Could you hook him up with major league prospects?  If you're going to do that, you would do it with Myers and those prospects would have to be much better than a pitcher we DFA'd, an OF that can't make consistent contact and an INF who still has a long way to develop into a hitter that will be better than Arias, Edwards, Miller, I Castillo or even Quiroz.

Given our situation, signing a high priced 2b would be a luxury that we can't afford because of our other more pressing needs.  Shouldn't commit to a 2b for more than 1 year if we have the money, but how much better would that be than what we already have for the price.  Swallowing Kinsler's salary is much easier than Myers'.

Quote from onlypads on November 30, 2019, 9:16 am

Well yeah like 60 mil v. 4 mil salary difference.  So yes the prospects I proposed would not work in that situation lol.

Quote from TatisJr on November 30, 2019, 9:23 am

I imagine there are quite a few middle to lower tier  prospects in the Padres system that a team would eat 4 mil of Kinslers deal to acquire. I just think Kinsler is a Padre in 2020 due to his relationship with Tatis, Machado, Hosmer, Tingler and Preller.