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#91 · March 5, 2023, 6:11 am
Looking at the pitchers who have no minor league options to use ... will be interesting to see moves coming. Not counting Musgrove (who will likely start in the IL) and Hill (who will not get optioned even with one left) ... have 12 (13 with Hill)(14 with Musgrove).
SP: Darvish; Snell; Wacha; Martinez; Lugo;
RHRP: Suarez; Garcia; Crismatt; Honeywell;
LHRP:Hader; Pomeranz; Hill; Lopez;
That is 13 and one will have to go when Musgrove returns (likely Lopez, maybe Honeywell). IF the Padres want to retain all of them, season may start with all the other players (with options) being sent to the minors. Should make for a strong group for call-ups to cover future injuries.
3+ weeks to evaluate and decide to make a trade or to insure a ST injury (and IL stint ... Pomeranz is still a high risk).
#92 · March 5, 2023, 6:20 am
No sense yet how the Padres are evaluating Lopez ... may not be concerned about returning him to TB. However, not sure on the return rules. The offer back was 50% of the acquisition fee, TB could decline and Padres keep him but remember if TB takes him back he does not have to be on their 40 man. TB and SD can work out a trade.
The part not sure of is whether all the other ML teams have the right to exercise a Rule 5 claim before it gets back to TB's decision. That may be an issue if he is decent as a LHRP given teams scrambling for LHRP ... especially teams that selected player before the Padres took Lopez.
#93 · March 5, 2023, 7:44 am
Quote from fenn68 on March 5, 2023, 6:20 amNo sense yet how the Padres are evaluating Lopez ... may not be concerned about returning him to TB. However, not sure on the return rules. The offer back was 50% of the acquisition fee, TB could decline and Padres keep him but remember if TB takes him back he does not have to be on their 40 man. TB and SD can work out a trade.
The part not sure of is whether all the other ML teams have the right to exercise a Rule 5 claim before it gets back to TB's decision. That may be an issue if he is decent as a LHRP given teams scrambling for LHRP ... especially teams that selected player before the Padres took Lopez.
I dont think the other 28 teams can do anything.. he is either offered back to TB at $25k or kept ..I do believe that if TB rejects the player. He still has to be on our 40 but can be off the 26(or passed thru waivers if SDP want him off 40).. but if TB does take him back at $25k he can be off the 40 and a trade back to SD (if AJP wants him or TB doesnt) can happen, in which case he would be off the 40 for us as well...
#94 · March 5, 2023, 8:19 am
If the Padres work out a trade with the Rays they can then option him to the minors. Otherwise he would have to be placed on outright waivers to be removed from the 26 man roster. If no other team claims him they would then have to offer him back to the Rays for 50k. If the Rays decline he could then be sent to the minors.
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#95 · March 5, 2023, 8:43 am
Quote from Jeremy Hill on March 5, 2023, 8:19 amIf the Padres work out a trade with the Rays they can then option him to the minors. Otherwise he would have to be placed on outright waivers to be removed from the 26 man roster. If no other team claims him they would then have to offer him back to the Rays for 50k. If the Rays decline he could then be sent to the minors.
If I read this correctly BEFORE any deal with TB, Padres would have to get Lopez through the waiver process with all other team passing ... then deal with TB who can just take him back for ($50K) and send him to the minors as non-roster ... or decline and let the Padres keep him and send him to the minors as non-roster ... or work a deal with SD (basically take him back so he can be taken off the 40 man then deal him as a minor leaguer to the Padres).
Basically whether the Padres (or any non-TB team) keep Lopez under Rule 5 conditions he stays on the 26 man ... if he ends up back with TB becomes non-roster and can be dealt as such to any team.
#96 · March 6, 2023, 7:11 am
Quote from fenn68 on March 5, 2023, 8:43 amQuote from Jeremy Hill on March 5, 2023, 8:19 amIf the Padres work out a trade with the Rays they can then option him to the minors. Otherwise he would have to be placed on outright waivers to be removed from the 26 man roster. If no other team claims him they would then have to offer him back to the Rays for 50k. If the Rays decline he could then be sent to the minors.
If I read this correctly BEFORE any deal with TB, Padres would have to get Lopez through the waiver process with all other team passing ... then deal with TB who can just take him back for ($50K) and send him to the minors as non-roster ... or decline and let the Padres keep him and send him to the minors as non-roster ... or work a deal with SD (basically take him back so he can be taken off the 40 man then deal him as a minor leaguer to the Padres).
Basically whether the Padres (or any non-TB team) keep Lopez under Rule 5 conditions he stays on the 26 man ... if he ends up back with TB becomes non-roster and can be dealt as such to any team.
MLB just ranked Manny and Soto as the #1 1-2 lineup combo in the MLB. Mainly based on Trouts inability to stay healthy. Add in X and Tatis, how far ahead do you think we would be in the top four compared to all other teams?
#97 · March 6, 2023, 8:47 am
I just went and looked at last year's OPS numbers among hitters with more than 200 ABs. Manny was 8th in the league, Soto was 24th, Bogaerts was 31st. Carpenter only got 128 ABs, but would have been 1st if he could have somehow sustained his insane level of production. If things break right for us it's going to be a tough lineup to beat.
Some other contenders would be the Astros who had Yordan at 2nd, Altuve at 6th, Bregman at 38th, Tucker at 48th, and Brantley at 69th and added Abreu who finished 36th.
The Braves had Riley at 12th, Harris at 26th, Olson at 56th and d'Arnuad at 61st. With Acuna back at 100% that's a good group.
The Phillies had Harper at 13th, Schwarber at 35th, Realmuto at 39th, Hoskins at 59th and added Turner at 47th.
The Angels had Trout at 3rd, Ohtani at 14th, Ward at 33rd and added Drury at 45th and Renfroe at 51st.
The Blue Jays had Jansen at 23rd, Vladdy Jr. at 40th, Springer at 44th, Bichette at 55th and Kirk at 68th.
The Cardinals had Goldy at 4th, Arenado at 10th, Nootbar at 65th, Donovan at 79th and added Contreras at 42nd.
The Dodgers had Freeman at 7th, Betts at 16th, Trayce Thompson surprisingly at 20th, Smith at 49th and added Martinez at 63rd.
The Mets has Alonso at 17th, McNeil at 29th, Marte at 43rd, Nimmo at 57th and Lindor at 66th.
There might be other teams I overlooked. Good teams have good lineups. We should be as good as any of them and have the ceiling to be better than any of them.
#98 · March 6, 2023, 1:48 pm
I don't know that it means much, but there are suddenly a lot of big name media types suggesting that Soto should look to sign an extension. I've seen Heyman, Olney, Bowden, Kurkjian and a few others all suggest that the Padres might be the best shot for him to get the kind of massive contract he's looking for. They don't seem to think there will be too many teams willing to commit big money for what might be a 15+ year deal.
#99 · March 6, 2023, 2:15 pm
Quote from Jeremy Hill on March 6, 2023, 1:48 pmI don't know that it means much, but there are suddenly a lot of big name media types suggesting that Soto should look to sign an extension. I've seen Heyman, Olney, Bowden, Kurkjian and a few others all suggest that the Padres might be the best shot for him to get the kind of massive contract he's looking for. They don't seem to think there will be too many teams willing to commit big money for what might be a 15+ year deal.
I can see their logic. Soto may be “worth” $500MM/17 years (in the minds of some) but looking at the potential buyers at that price only a small subset of teams could make that commitment and fewer would want to. Then link that to a Siedler comment a couple of days ago that he loves long term contacts as a commitment to the fans of SD. Also, consider that big money will be going to Ohtani next winter probably taking one potetential suitor for Soto out of his FA run in 2024.
The money is so big … Boras can call a FA party and have no one come.
IF Siedler offers a deal that breaks some record (eg total contract, years, AAV), Boras may take it now vs gambling on FA after 2024.
#100 · March 6, 2023, 5:33 pm
Quote from fenn68 on March 6, 2023, 2:15 pmQuote from Jeremy Hill on March 6, 2023, 1:48 pmI don't know that it means much, but there are suddenly a lot of big name media types suggesting that Soto should look to sign an extension. I've seen Heyman, Olney, Bowden, Kurkjian and a few others all suggest that the Padres might be the best shot for him to get the kind of massive contract he's looking for. They don't seem to think there will be too many teams willing to commit big money for what might be a 15+ year deal.
I can see their logic. Soto may be “worth” $500MM/17 years (in the minds of some) but looking at the potential buyers at that price only a small subset of teams could make that commitment and fewer would want to. Then link that to a Siedler comment a couple of days ago that he loves long term contacts as a commitment to the fans of SD. Also, consider that big money will be going to Ohtani next winter probably taking one potetential suitor for Soto out of his FA run in 2024.
The money is so big … Boras can call a FA party and have no one come.
IF Siedler offers a deal that breaks some record (eg total contract, years, AAV), Boras may take it now vs gambling on FA after 2024.
It can also be hedging their bets in case Soto doesn’t return to prime form this year. It could make him more costly, hopefully, but Padres cannot think of extending him this season.