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#561 · November 3, 2022, 4:11 pm
Is Preller sold on keeping Grisham as starting CF due to his defense,cost,and possibility of an offensive turnaround?
Where does Tatis play?
My guess is that both of these questions are “up in the air” and depend on who we sign or trade for.
If we sign a Nimmo/Haniger/Benintendi/Pederson….do we keep Grisham in CF or put Tatis there?
My guess is we add a corner outfielder and a 1b/DH type (could be a return of Myers/Bell/Drury or someone else) and play it by ear as far as CF.Possibly Tatis gets a lot of time in CF in ST if this is the case.
My vote is to leave Tatis at SS and find a way to get Kim on the field….even if that means Kim at 2b and Crone at 1b.
As Fenn pointed out Machado/Tatis/Kim/Cronenworth is an ELITE defensive IF….possibly the best in MLB.
If we can add a corner OF and a DH with high OBP/Power ability having Jake at 1b won’t hurt us on offense .
A lot to figure out still but it all surrounds AJ’s plans for Grisham and Tatis IMO.
#562 · November 3, 2022, 4:18 pm
So FA either starts a week from today if WS ends in 6 games
Or a week from tomorrow if it ends on Sunday game 7..
#563 · November 3, 2022, 4:30 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on November 3, 2022, 4:11 pmMy vote is to leave Tatis at SS and find a way to get Kim on the field….even if that means Kim at 2b and Crone at 1b.
As Fenn pointed out Machado/Tatis/Kim/Cronenworth is an ELITE defensive IF….possibly the best in MLB.
If we can add a corner OF and a DH with high OBP/Power ability having Jake at 1b won’t hurt us on offense .
A lot to figure out still but it all surrounds AJ’s plans for Grisham and Tatis IMO.
I think this is the way that I am starting to lean towards. Keeps Tatis happy. Kim will be fine at 2B. And Crone's bat is close to top 10 level with other 1B bats, at least in driving in runs.
Nimmo is going to get a big payday, and I have been reading that the NYM will make him a priority to resign. Benintendi is a nice OBP option, not a lot of power. Haninger is just hurt to often to count on IMO.
I think that I would lean towards a Conforto or Pederson (based on health for Conforto and money for both) platoon with Myers in LF, with Myers being able to slide to 1B, versus a tough LHSP or giving Crone a day off here and there. This should give us additional dollars to apply towards SP replacement. And keeping Martinez and Suarez.
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#564 · November 3, 2022, 6:23 pm
Quote from BoosterSD on November 3, 2022, 4:30 pmQuote from MrPadre19 on November 3, 2022, 4:11 pmMy vote is to leave Tatis at SS and find a way to get Kim on the field….even if that means Kim at 2b and Crone at 1b.
As Fenn pointed out Machado/Tatis/Kim/Cronenworth is an ELITE defensive IF….possibly the best in MLB.
If we can add a corner OF and a DH with high OBP/Power ability having Jake at 1b won’t hurt us on offense .
A lot to figure out still but it all surrounds AJ’s plans for Grisham and Tatis IMO.
I think this is the way that I am starting to lean towards. Keeps Tatis happy. Kim will be fine at 2B. And Crone's bat is close to top 10 level with other 1B bats, at least in driving in runs.
Nimmo is going to get a big payday, and I have been reading that the NYM will make him a priority to resign. Benintendi is a nice OBP option, not a lot of power. Haninger is just hurt to often to count on IMO.
I think that I would lean towards a Conforto or Pederson (based on health for Conforto and money for both) platoon with Myers in LF, with Myers being able to slide to 1B, versus a tough LHSP or giving Crone a day off here and there. This should give us additional dollars to apply towards SP replacement. And keeping Martinez and Suarez.
Nando's shoulders get dislocated when he dives and he has always been an exceptionally error prone SS.
We had a much better defensive IF this year than we ever did with Tatis at SS.
The Padres best defensive IF would be the same as it was this year with Kim at SS, Crone at 2B and Myers at 1B. I would personally prefer Bell or Drury for their offense, but Myers is the best defender and should be the cheapest.
Soto is a bad defensive RF but was an average LF. With Tatis and his cannon in RF and a L/R platoon of Grisham/Azocar in CF we could have one the best OF defenses in MLB along with one of the best defensive IFs. Grisham and Azocar were first and tenth in Outs Above Average among NL CF in 2022, despite Azocar having only 202-AB.
#565 · November 3, 2022, 6:46 pm
Most of his shoulder issues were when swinging….plus he has had the surgery.
Still a better infield defensively than Machado/Kim/Crone/Hosmer or anyone we’ve had at 1b.
But I get it….the whole Tatis situation is a mess.
Will he be 100% healthy?
Will he be rusty?
Will he be 2020 defensive Tatis or 2021?
How will he be received by his teammates and the fans?
Heck….where will he play?
#566 · November 3, 2022, 6:56 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on November 3, 2022, 6:23 pmQuote from BoosterSD on November 3, 2022, 4:30 pmQuote from MrPadre19 on November 3, 2022, 4:11 pmMy vote is to leave Tatis at SS and find a way to get Kim on the field….even if that means Kim at 2b and Crone at 1b.
As Fenn pointed out Machado/Tatis/Kim/Cronenworth is an ELITE defensive IF….possibly the best in MLB.
If we can add a corner OF and a DH with high OBP/Power ability having Jake at 1b won’t hurt us on offense .
A lot to figure out still but it all surrounds AJ’s plans for Grisham and Tatis IMO.
I think this is the way that I am starting to lean towards. Keeps Tatis happy. Kim will be fine at 2B. And Crone's bat is close to top 10 level with other 1B bats, at least in driving in runs.
Nimmo is going to get a big payday, and I have been reading that the NYM will make him a priority to resign. Benintendi is a nice OBP option, not a lot of power. Haninger is just hurt to often to count on IMO.
I think that I would lean towards a Conforto or Pederson (based on health for Conforto and money for both) platoon with Myers in LF, with Myers being able to slide to 1B, versus a tough LHSP or giving Crone a day off here and there. This should give us additional dollars to apply towards SP replacement. And keeping Martinez and Suarez.
Nando's shoulders get dislocated when he dives and he has always been an exceptionally error prone SS.
We had a much better defensive IF this year than we ever did with Tatis at SS.
The Padres best defensive IF would be the same as it was this year with Kim at SS, Crone at 2B and Myers at 1B. I would personally prefer Bell or Drury for their offense, but Myers is the best defender and should be the cheapest.
Soto is a bad defensive RF but was an average LF. With Tatis and his cannon in RF and a L/R platoon of Grisham/Azocar in CF we could have one the best OF defenses in MLB along with one of the best defensive IFs. Grisham and Azocar were first and tenth in Outs Above Average among NL CF in 2022, despite Azocar having only 202-AB.
In this scenario we don’t add any bats except maybe a DH then and re-sign Myers?
I’m fine with that too as long as the DH has some power and we sign 2 good Starters.
As I type this I realize how crazy this is….these expectations.
We have a payroll of over $200 million and I’m still expecting 3 good additions this offseason.😳
Just thinking where this team was just a 5 years ago when Ryan Schimpf,Corey Spangenberg and Yangervis Solarte were playing every day.
#567 · November 3, 2022, 7:00 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on November 3, 2022, 6:46 pmMost of his shoulder issues were when swinging….plus he has had the surgery.
Still a better infield defensively than Machado/Kim/Crone/Hosmer or anyone we’ve had at 1b.
Tatis dislocated his shoulder once when swinging, once diving during base running and twice when diving for balls at SS. Tatis has loose joints and the surgery doesn't fix that. As for "still a better infield defensively", how do you figure? Tatis has always graded as a bad/terrible defensive SS. Machado, Kim and Crone were all GG worth this year at their current positions. Moving 2 of them to new positions to accommodate a bad defensive SS in Tatis cannot help but make the defense exponentially worse.
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#568 · November 3, 2022, 7:06 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on November 3, 2022, 6:23 pmQuote from BoosterSD on November 3, 2022, 4:30 pmQuote from MrPadre19 on November 3, 2022, 4:11 pmMy vote is to leave Tatis at SS and find a way to get Kim on the field….even if that means Kim at 2b and Crone at 1b.
As Fenn pointed out Machado/Tatis/Kim/Cronenworth is an ELITE defensive IF….possibly the best in MLB.
If we can add a corner OF and a DH with high OBP/Power ability having Jake at 1b won’t hurt us on offense .
A lot to figure out still but it all surrounds AJ’s plans for Grisham and Tatis IMO.
I think this is the way that I am starting to lean towards. Keeps Tatis happy. Kim will be fine at 2B. And Crone's bat is close to top 10 level with other 1B bats, at least in driving in runs.
Nimmo is going to get a big payday, and I have been reading that the NYM will make him a priority to resign. Benintendi is a nice OBP option, not a lot of power. Haninger is just hurt to often to count on IMO.
I think that I would lean towards a Conforto or Pederson (based on health for Conforto and money for both) platoon with Myers in LF, with Myers being able to slide to 1B, versus a tough LHSP or giving Crone a day off here and there. This should give us additional dollars to apply towards SP replacement. And keeping Martinez and Suarez.
Nando's shoulders get dislocated when he dives and he has always been an exceptionally error prone SS.
We had a much better defensive IF this year than we ever did with Tatis at SS.
Not really, cuz we had S*@t fielders for the most part at 1B. The alignment with Tatis at SS, would improve defense at 1B with Crone, hold tight at 2B and 3B, and then its up to Tatis to deal with his throws.
Now, about the link. First of all, it is almost 3 years old. And in 2020 season, Tatis only had 3 errors. Over a full season that would only be 9. And yet I still agree with most of the article, since in 2021 he had 21 errors. Tatis can get to balls that few can, saw that with Kim in the PHI series. IF Tatis can make the regulars plays, then he can be phenomenal.
And finally, IF he is going to pout in the OF and his bat suffers, then he is no good to us out there. So, if he can harness his arm, keep the bat at high level, and its easier to find FA OFers than a 1B, then we have to consider keeping Tatis at SS.
#569 · November 3, 2022, 7:24 pm
Tatis has not proven to be a good defensive SS or a good defensive OF as yet. Many PROJECT him to develop into a plus SS or a plus OF ... but that is just a projection. That might suggest that he ends up in either position in 2023 based on who is added.
That flexibility gives Preller the freedom to go after the best player (OF or INF) to add to the roster and not just get boxed into a corner. Of course, Preller may pursue a player ... but the player may choose to sign elsewhere, then Preller moves on to option two.
#570 · November 3, 2022, 7:30 pm
Quote from BoosterSD on November 3, 2022, 7:06 pmQuote from JasonE135 on November 3, 2022, 6:23 pmQuote from BoosterSD on November 3, 2022, 4:30 pmQuote from MrPadre19 on November 3, 2022, 4:11 pmMy vote is to leave Tatis at SS and find a way to get Kim on the field….even if that means Kim at 2b and Crone at 1b.
As Fenn pointed out Machado/Tatis/Kim/Cronenworth is an ELITE defensive IF….possibly the best in MLB.
If we can add a corner OF and a DH with high OBP/Power ability having Jake at 1b won’t hurt us on offense .
A lot to figure out still but it all surrounds AJ’s plans for Grisham and Tatis IMO.
I think this is the way that I am starting to lean towards. Keeps Tatis happy. Kim will be fine at 2B. And Crone's bat is close to top 10 level with other 1B bats, at least in driving in runs.
Nimmo is going to get a big payday, and I have been reading that the NYM will make him a priority to resign. Benintendi is a nice OBP option, not a lot of power. Haninger is just hurt to often to count on IMO.
I think that I would lean towards a Conforto or Pederson (based on health for Conforto and money for both) platoon with Myers in LF, with Myers being able to slide to 1B, versus a tough LHSP or giving Crone a day off here and there. This should give us additional dollars to apply towards SP replacement. And keeping Martinez and Suarez.
Nando's shoulders get dislocated when he dives and he has always been an exceptionally error prone SS.
We had a much better defensive IF this year than we ever did with Tatis at SS.
Not really, cuz we had S*@t fielders for the most part at 1B. The alignment with Tatis at SS, would improve defense at 1B with Crone, hold tight at 2B and 3B, and then its up to Tatis to deal with his throws.
Now, about the link. First of all, it is almost 3 years old. And in 2020 season, Tatis only had 3 errors. Over a full season that would only be 9. And yet I still agree with most of the article, since in 2021 he had 21 errors. Tatis can get to balls that few can, saw that with Kim in the PHI series. IF Tatis can make the regulars plays, then he can be phenomenal.
And finally, IF he is going to pout in the OF and his bat suffers, then he is no good to us out there. So, if he can harness his arm, keep the bat at high level, and its easier to find FA OFers than a 1B, then we have to consider keeping Tatis at SS.
If Tatis pouts and it affects his bat we are screwed. If he injures his shoulder and has to sit out we are screwed. It's a risk either way, we just disagree on which risk we prefer to take. I guess it's a good thing that it is not our choice to make. We will just have to trust Preller and Melvin. Honestly it sounds like they agree with you: they are afraid to move Tatis because they are afraid to upset him. We will see.😁