Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 12:56 pm

Not so much for this offseason, but for next, with Machado. SD I am sure will be watching close to the STL/Arenado situation, and his last chance to opt out. If he stays, he is due 5 years at $28.8M. Mahcado is ahead of him, at $30M. Should Arenado opt out, or renegotiate with STL and sign a refined contract, increasing the AAV, either will have an effect on Machado and his decision.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 26, 2022, 1:01 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 11:33 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 26, 2022, 11:05 am

 

I can live with Bell at DH/1B platoon with Dixon not lefty_righty platoon but position pkatoon. I read an article a few yrs back about how being a DH "full time" is not as easy as it sounds as that player is only engaged for 3 or 4 times a game.. or something to that basis.. so playing 1B on a semi regular schedule and DHing the rest could keep Dixon and Bell grounded.. There is a reason why only a handful of DH's are highly productive and full time as DHs 90% + of the time

If you go to baseball-reference web page and look, his numbers as a DH are horrible. I think if you resign Bell, you are basically telling yourself that he is your fulltime 1B. Maybe DH once a week to give him a rest, but the rest of the time, numbers wise, it appears that he needs to play the field. We really dont want anything to do with his DH numbers. Could be why his numbers were so bad in SD, he doesnt like to DH.

I think you are way to enamored with Dixon, and his fluffy numbers as a 30 year old in AAA, especially playing home games in El Paso.

I know he only had a few ABs in SD ..but what I liked about Dixon is that he worked counts full almost every AB and the few hits he had were line drives hit hard a couple to oppo (2 strike approach) wasn't basing anything on AAA.. I think with SP a $$ priority.. we going to have to get production as a regular contributor DH/Def replacement/Rest guys  Dixon/Azocar/Batten/Rosario/Campy .. ONE of them will have to cover those spots.. I dont think we can resign Bell AND add a 2nd bat at $10mil +.. while going after a #2/#3 type SP to fill #4 in our SP rotation.. so it can be someone else..But Dixon QST couple games 0fers But then had a couple of games with a knock..and some hard hit balls.. that plus he plays the positions we need 1B/DH can play 3B if Manny needs a day off his feet and COF as well..

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 1:21 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 26, 2022, 1:01 pm

 

I know he only had a few ABs in SD ..but what I liked about Dixon is that he worked counts full almost every AB and the few hits he had were line drives hit hard a couple to oppo (2 strike approach) wasn't basing anything on AAA.. I think with SP a $$ priority.. we going to have to get production as a regular contributor DH/Def replacement/Rest guys  Dixon/Azocar/Batten/Rosario/Campy .. ONE of them will have to cover those spots.. I dont think we can resign Bell AND add a 2nd bat at $10mil +.. while going after a #2/#3 type SP to fill #4 in our SP rotation.. so it can be someone else..But Dixon QST couple games 0fers But then had a couple of games with a knock..and some hard hit balls.. that plus he plays the positions we need 1B/DH can play 3B if Manny needs a day off his feet and COF as well..

Thats a lot of projection from a career .228 hitter. I hope Im wrong, but I think he is a 4A player, pretty much the same as everyone else on your list that I bolded. And yes, I dont think that Campusano will be a ML hitter.

We will see.

Quote from fenn68 on October 26, 2022, 1:21 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 12:56 pm

Not so much for this offseason, but for next, with Machado. SD I am sure will be watching close to the STL/Arenado situation, and his last chance to opt out. If he stays, he is due 5 years at $28.8M. Mahcado is ahead of him, at $30M. Should Arenado opt out, or renegotiate with STL and sign a refined contract, increasing the AAV, either will have an effect on Machado and his decision.

Not just Arenado’s situation but any major star who gets an extension or is a FA signing … even Judge. Position may be irrelevant. So if Otani or Soto get extended at over $40MM AAV … one or more of the SS get extended / signed anywhere close (or above) Machado.

Basically, if the opinion of the “market” for All-Star level payers has risen regardless of positions … Machado plays again to MVP consideration … opting out makes sense believing he can’t do worse and probably better as a FA. Now that could just result in the Padres giving him a new better deal.

Would open a great debate at he end of 2023 … re-sign Machado OR sign Otani OR extend Soto … all with mega AAVs so not likely all them and probably only one.

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 1:56 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 26, 2022, 1:21 pm

Now that could just result in the Padres giving him a new better deal.

Would open a great debate at he end of 2023 … re-sign Machado OR sign Otani OR extend Soto … all with mega AAVs so not likely all them and probably only one.

All depends on the season Soto has in 2023. If he rebounds, at hits his normal .287/.424/.526 with 30 HRs and his age, IMO its a no brainer for Soto, Ohtani, then Machado. Soto is the youngest, Ohtani P and hits, Manny would be 31 and starting the decline soon.

If Soto does not come near his normal numbers, then I lean Ohtani, Machado, Soto.

Quote from JasonE135 on October 26, 2022, 2:02 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 1:21 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 26, 2022, 1:01 pm

 

I know he only had a few ABs in SD ..but what I liked about Dixon is that he worked counts full almost every AB and the few hits he had were line drives hit hard a couple to oppo (2 strike approach) wasn't basing anything on AAA.. I think with SP a $$ priority.. we going to have to get production as a regular contributor DH/Def replacement/Rest guys  Dixon/Azocar/Batten/Rosario/Campy .. ONE of them will have to cover those spots.. I dont think we can resign Bell AND add a 2nd bat at $10mil +.. while going after a #2/#3 type SP to fill #4 in our SP rotation.. so it can be someone else..But Dixon QST couple games 0fers But then had a couple of games with a knock..and some hard hit balls.. that plus he plays the positions we need 1B/DH can play 3B if Manny needs a day off his feet and COF as well..

Thats a lot of projection from a career .228 hitter. I hope Im wrong, but I think he is a 4A player, pretty much the same as everyone else on your list that I bolded. And yes, I dont think that Campusano will be a ML hitter.

We will see.

I agree with you Henry. I think if the Padres can re-sign either of Bell or Profar that will be all they need and can afford. Since I think Tatis should be covering the position that we don't sign I would prefer Bell, just because Tatis has never played 1B and it would be a huge risk to have him as a starter at a position he has never played. Whatever.

I am fine with Azocar and Rosario as backups. I am not sure about Batten but as a backup only I guess he is okay. Dixon and Campusano are problems. Dixon is a 1B/DH whose only value is his bat, and he hasn't even proven he can hit yet. Campusano is the same except he can theoretically play C, but may not be good at it. I would prefer Alfaro as a backup C. Maybe we could pick up another low cost defensive backup, but we don't need to spend real money on it.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 26, 2022, 2:06 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 26, 2022, 1:21 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 12:56 pm

Not so much for this offseason, but for next, with Machado. SD I am sure will be watching close to the STL/Arenado situation, and his last chance to opt out. If he stays, he is due 5 years at $28.8M. Mahcado is ahead of him, at $30M. Should Arenado opt out, or renegotiate with STL and sign a refined contract, increasing the AAV, either will have an effect on Machado and his decision.

Not just Arenado’s situation but any major star who gets an extension or is a FA signing … even Judge. Position may be irrelevant. So if Otani or Soto get extended at over $40MM AAV … one or more of the SS get extended / signed anywhere close (or above) Machado.

Basically, if the opinion of the “market” for All-Star level payers has risen regardless of positions … Machado plays again to MVP consideration … opting out makes sense believing he can’t do worse and probably better as a FA. Now that could just result in the Padres giving him a new better deal.

Would open a great debate at he end of 2023 … re-sign Machado OR sign Otani OR extend Soto … all with mega AAVs so not likely all them and probably only one.

Arenado's uncle comes into my shop 2 or 3x a week (Josh Reyes is his nephew too..also a 3B)..and told me Arenado loves it in ST Louis and is Opting in at his current $28mil per... take it for what it is..But Arenado not opting out.. So Manny's deal is still make him the highest paid 3B in baseball

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 26, 2022, 2:09 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 26, 2022, 1:21 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 12:56 pm

Not so much for this offseason, but for next, with Machado. SD I am sure will be watching close to the STL/Arenado situation, and his last chance to opt out. If he stays, he is due 5 years at $28.8M. Mahcado is ahead of him, at $30M. Should Arenado opt out, or renegotiate with STL and sign a refined contract, increasing the AAV, either will have an effect on Machado and his decision.

Not just Arenado’s situation but any major star who gets an extension or is a FA signing … even Judge. Position may be irrelevant. So if Otani or Soto get extended at over $40MM AAV … one or more of the SS get extended / signed anywhere close (or above) Machado.

Basically, if the opinion of the “market” for All-Star level payers has risen regardless of positions … Machado plays again to MVP consideration … opting out makes sense believing he can’t do worse and probably better as a FA. Now that could just result in the Padres giving him a new better deal.

Would open a great debate at he end of 2023 … re-sign Machado OR sign Otani OR extend Soto … all with mega AAVs so not likely all them and probably only one.

From some rumblings coming out of headquarters ..Yu and Soto could be extended this offseason..

Quote from JasonE135 on October 26, 2022, 2:15 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 26, 2022, 1:56 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 26, 2022, 1:21 pm

Now that could just result in the Padres giving him a new better deal.

Would open a great debate at he end of 2023 … re-sign Machado OR sign Otani OR extend Soto … all with mega AAVs so not likely all them and probably only one.

All depends on the season Soto has in 2023. If he rebounds, at hits his normal .287/.424/.526 with 30 HRs and his age, IMO its a no brainer for Soto, Ohtani, then Machado. Soto is the youngest, Ohtani P and hits, Manny would be 31 and starting the decline soon.

If Soto does not come near his normal numbers, then I lean Ohtani, Machado, Soto.

Another thing to think about is how bare the upper levels of our minor leagues are now. After trading Hassell and Wood, we have no high quality OF anywhere close to the majors. We also don't have any high quality starting pitchers anywhere close, which makes both of those positions more important in my mind. Therefore I lean more to Soto(personal preference) or Ohtani. Manny can be replaced by our current top prospect Merrill. We would only have to get maybe a 1 or 2 year rental until he is ready.