Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 25, 2022, 4:23 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on October 25, 2022, 3:30 pm

Glad to see Mr. P bringing up Tatis to 1B( thanks for joining me- it was getting lonely out here in the wilderness!). I just can't believe he's the only other poster to see this makes a lot of sense.

1) EVERYONE here seems to think Kim is the second coming of The Wizard and it's blasphemous to even consider moving off the spot, and 2) EVERYONE here( including me!) realises we need a 1B. So, just from all of your comments, FTJ is the IDEAL guy for 1B!

He has RIDICULOUS range, he's 6'3", he can do the splits, he has top end speed, he has GREAT baseball( unfortunately not life!) instincts, he's the most disruptive baserunner in SD since Rickey Henderson, and he just happens to have a ton of power.

If the Padres can make Phil Nevin and Wil Myers 1B, they can sure as hell make FTJ one.

And for everyone suggesting an OF of Tatis, Grisham, and Soto.....you also keep mentioning Melvin prefers defense.....this configuration would be a disaster! WE all saw FTJ play OF last year- total unmitigated disaster! And Soto? As a RF, he'd make a great DH! Grisham would be run ragged by the break.

Leave everything as it is, add FTJ to 1B, sign Drury/Bell for DH, concentrate on SP......done!

Coming off a shoulder and wrist and "easing" him back defensively 1B is not a crazy call.. besides with no shift..some of those dinks and donks to short RF Tatis could get too..He would have 2x the range if not 3x of any 1B in the game.. If he is into historic shit .. I dont know any 40/40 players and definetely not at 1B.. he should easily be able to dig throws with his SS background ..and his body would be able to stay healthy without the wear and tear if SS/2B or CF to be honest... pitchers would have to sprint to 1B on plays between 2B and 1B as Crone and Tatis would close that gap by at least 9 feet between them vs ohers..

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 25, 2022, 4:32 pm

But yeah RF might be the best spot for Tatis.  SOTO in LF makes sense..Grish in CF.. But Wil showed us what an Athletic 1B can mean to a team..and Tatis is 3x the Athlete Wil is ..so not hating on the idea. Also Crone at 1B and Tatis at 2B is not bad either..and Tatis has some 2B experience.. if Crone is AS as 2B .. Tatis WAR and AS status at 2B would be automatic.. Steady Eddie Kim at SS.. Tatis at 2B ..Crone at 1B.. less learning more natural for all

Quote from WindsorUK on October 25, 2022, 7:47 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 25, 2022, 4:18 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on October 25, 2022, 3:30 pm

Glad to see Mr. P bringing up Tatis to 1B( thanks for joining me- it was getting lonely out here in the wilderness!). I just can't believe he's the only other poster to see this makes a lot of sense.

1) EVERYONE here seems to think Kim is the second coming of The Wizard and it's blasphemous to even consider moving off the spot, and 2) EVERYONE here( including me!) realises we need a 1B. So, just from all of your comments, FTJ is the IDEAL guy for 1B!

He has RIDICULOUS range, he's 6'3", he can do the splits, he has top end speed, he has GREAT baseball( unfortunately not life!) instincts, he's the most disruptive baserunner in SD since Rickey Henderson, and he just happens to have a ton of power.

If the Padres can make Phil Nevin and Wil Myers 1B, they can sure as hell make FTJ one.

And for everyone suggesting an OF of Tatis, Grisham, and Soto.....you also keep mentioning Melvin prefers defense.....this configuration would be a disaster! WE all saw FTJ play OF last year- total unmitigated disaster! And Soto? As a RF, he'd make a great DH! Grisham would be run ragged by the break.

Leave everything as it is, add FTJ to 1B, sign Drury/Bell for DH, concentrate on SP......done!

I dont think anyone is thinking that Kim is the 2nd coming of The Wizard. I have even admitted that the bloop from Harper probably is caught by Tatis. I think there was about 5-7 balls that Kim went back on, IMO that Tatis more than likely gets. But here's the thing, Kim is just more reliable and steady than Tatis, and that saves wear and tear on the pitching staff.

Doing the splits is how he trashed his back in 2019 I believe, and he was out for 30 days±. 1B is a different glove, plus learning when to go for a ball or when to cover 1st and let the 2B get the ball is a lot harder than people think. Plus, you have to scoop the ball at 1B, another difficult skill set, especially with a different glove. His cannon arm would be wasted at 1B. Finally, it would be a waste of his speed and athleticism to put him at 1B. Putting Tatis would be an awful idea. It would cost more runs than you think!

By the way, your quote in red is by definition the PERFECT RFer, so by your own definition OF is the spot for him. Probably the best spot for him is RF, Soto in LF (where he hits better historically), and Grisham in CF.

I don't know Booster, FTJ's only issues( as Mr.P has pointed to often) are his throws, not his glove. At 1B, you eliminate that. As for the different glove, again, see Nevin and Myers- 2 lesser athletes who made the switch without much issue.

As for his health, OF generally run a great deal further, creating more impact when hitting the ground or wall. 1B are generally guys you see playing the most number of games on a yearly basis, due to the less physical nature of the position ( no need to go too far to his left either- his bad shoulder)

And yes, MANY balls hit this year that Kim did not get to, surely would have been in Fernando's range( like the Harper bloop). He reminds me a great deal of Kevin Kouzmanoff- grabs everything he gets to but doesn't get to everything he should.

With our perceived lack of spending ability this winter, just seems a good fit. I'd MUCH rather spend dollars on a P that goes 6/7 innings every 5 days.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 25, 2022, 7:55 pm

Just heard an interview with AJP with Sam L.. He said SP.. and Bats to replace departed..said the foundation is here to keep us competitive for next season.. just need to add to that base.. Said the success of 2022 just makes him and the Padres more hungry to keep it going... good stuff

Quote from BoosterSD on October 25, 2022, 8:51 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on October 25, 2022, 7:47 pm

 

 

I don't know Booster, FTJ's only issues( as Mr.P has pointed to often) are his throws, not his glove. At 1B, you eliminate that. As for the different glove, again, see Nevin and Myers- 2 lesser athletes who made the switch without much issue.

As for his health, OF generally run a great deal further, creating more impact when hitting the ground or wall. 1B are generally guys you see playing the most number of games on a yearly basis, due to the less physical nature of the position ( no need to go too far to his left either- his bad shoulder)

And yes, MANY balls hit this year that Kim did not get to, surely would have been in Fernando's range( like the Harper bloop). He reminds me a great deal of Kevin Kouzmanoff- grabs everything he gets to but doesn't get to everything he should.

With our perceived lack of spending ability this winter, just seems a good fit. I'd MUCH rather spend dollars on a P that goes 6/7 innings every 5 days.

Both Myers and Nevin had caught in the MiL, much easier switch to 1B than a SS. Trust me, the intricacies of using the 1B glove, the pick offs, the scoops, when to go for grounders are much more difficult than perceived. It will be a lot easier and safer for him on the grass, OFers dont really bang into walls that often.

Basically the people that want to keep him on the grass, is because they watched a spoiled little child pout about not playing SS, when SD tried to keep his shoulder healthy. And he performed not up to snuff. He needs to swallow whatever pride he has left, grab an OF glove, and become the best OFer in MLB. Which he can.

But in the end, I guess we will agree to disagree about this subject.

Quote from 3fingersplit on October 25, 2022, 10:00 pm

Why on earth would you waste one thing that Tatis has that you really cannot teach ?...........Speed

Playing 1st base would be a monumental waste.....OF has his name on it and if Manny has to get in his face again and remind him....." It's not about you" then I'm all for it.

At this point Tatis certainly is not calling the shots....he will play when and where he is told to play.

Quote from JasonE135 on October 25, 2022, 10:02 pm

If Tatis can play 1B that is fine. It will only give us more options. I don't think it is the best place for him as it would be a waste of his speed and arm, but it would be SAFE. That should be our primary concern for Tatis at this point. He has amazing range and athleticism at SS yes, but playing SS requires diving and Tatis pops his shoulder out every time he dives. He also cannot throw accurately to save his life. The man has thrown out his shoulder diving for balls, sliding, even swinging the friggin bat! Despite his speed and base running acumen I think the Padres would be CRAZY to let him try to steal anymore! Just keep the immature fool safe and healthy so that his far-and-away best tool, his bat, stays in the lineup.

Tatis at 1B would actually help us fill a position that we have a need at. If we re-sign Profar our OF will be set and 1B will be the only starting position outside DH that we still have a need at. If we cannot re-sign Profar I say we put Tatis in RF, Soto in left and sign a 1B/DH.

The main thing is that I don't think we have to make more than 1 or 2 at signings at most of position players. I don't see us spending a lot of money on RPs either. Lugo seems to have had a breakout this year in MiLB and has basically the same stuff as Wilson, who broke out at the MLB level. Along with Pom and Baez we should be okay. If we can re-sign Suarez and Johnson we will be golden.

All we need is a couple of starters. I am really hoping for Senga. I think his "ghostfork" could be very destructive in SD.

Quote from 84padres on October 26, 2022, 6:46 am

I vote Tatis for CF . It's the easiest OF spot to play and his bat there vs Grisham  is the best improvement we could possibly make . If Tatis commits to it he could easily be the best CF in a year. The real Grish showed up again against Philly , 0 for 19 with 5 Ks . I just can't take another year of it . Yes his D is great but do any of you think Tatis couldn't do it ?

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 26, 2022, 6:55 am

Quote from JasonE135 on October 25, 2022, 10:02 pm

If Tatis can play 1B that is fine. It will only give us more options. I don't think it is the best place for him as it would be a waste of his speed and arm, but it would be SAFE. That should be our primary concern for Tatis at this point. He has amazing range and athleticism at SS yes, but playing SS requires diving and Tatis pops his shoulder out every time he dives. He also cannot throw accurately to save his life. The man has thrown out his shoulder diving for balls, sliding, even swinging the friggin bat! Despite his speed and base running acumen I think the Padres would be CRAZY to let him try to steal anymore! Just keep the immature fool safe and healthy so that his far-and-away best tool, his bat, stays in the lineup.

Tatis at 1B would actually help us fill a position that we have a need at. If we re-sign Profar our OF will be set and 1B will be the only starting position outside DH that we still have a need at. If we cannot re-sign Profar I say we put Tatis in RF, Soto in left and sign a 1B/DH.

The main thing is that I don't think we have to make more than 1 or 2 at signings at most of position players. I don't see us spending a lot of money on RPs either. Lugo seems to have had a breakout this year in MiLB and has basically the same stuff as Wilson, who broke out at the MLB level. Along with Pom and Baez we should be okay. If we can re-sign Suarez and Johnson we will be golden.

All we need is a couple of starters. I am really hoping for Senga. I think his "ghostfork" could be very destructive in SD.

Wonder if we get Senga if Yu will learn the "Ghostfork" pitch just to add a 16th pitch 😆