Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 25, 2023, 8:57 am

Quote from BoosterSD on January 25, 2023, 8:13 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 24, 2023, 3:34 pm

Nick Gordon is who I would want as a fit.. Basically what we are lacking in our bench a proven Swiss army knife..

Good idea, and seems like a nice player. Although it looks as if Gordon is MIN main back up for 2B, and not sure if they would trade him. LHH COFers is MIN glut of players, so it would probably boil down to a choice of Kepler and Larnach. And it would probably be Kepler that MIN is willing to trade.

Just got to make the money and pieces work. I agree Fenn, Pomeranz needs to be included to make it work for SD. So it might need to be a sure thing RP, and Pomeranz is the "throw in" to make it work, and if he is healthy and good, MIN gets the added bonus at that time.

He plays mainly in the OF.. so my thought process was get him to be what we all want Profar to be off the bench.. replace him with Rosario (twins) + 2 BP arms no need for Pomz probably want more control like Crismatt + Cosgrove... we upgrade Batten and backup COF bigtime with Gordon

Quote from BoosterSD on January 25, 2023, 9:29 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 25, 2023, 8:57 am

He plays mainly in the OF.. so my thought process was get him to be what we all want Profar to be off the bench.. replace him with Rosario (twins) + 2 BP arms no need for Pomz probably want more control like Crismatt + Cosgrove... we upgrade Batten and backup COF bigtime with Gordon

Yes, in the ML Gordon has mainly played OF; however, for the majority of his MiL career most of his games have been SS, then 2B, then the OF. I would imagine that the CF duty that he has seen in the ML has been due to the injury history of Buxton, and Taylor takes care of that this season. So this season, Gordon is probably the main back up for 2B, at least according to fangraphs.

So, I would imagine that if we dont see Rosario as an adequate bench player for a playoff caliber team, I dont know if MIN would either. And they too will be fighting for their division championship. So while I like the possibility of Gordon, still think they are holding on to him. So its probably Kepler or nothing. And if thats the case, then Pomeranz has to be included to offset the money of Kepler.

Quote from fenn68 on January 25, 2023, 9:32 am

Not sure that the TWINS would be willing to deal Gordon for a  group of marginal pieces. Gordon was basically a starter utility type (138 games) who player in LF, CF, RF, 2B, 3B in 2022 with a wRC+ on 111 / 1.5 WAR and, for now penciled in as their DH. Plus he is at league minimum with 5 years of control.

For the reasons SD would want him … MINN would want to keep him. Both teams are contenders. Hard to see a SD RP … at low cost / long control balancing a 1.5 WAR starter for a contender.

I would bet that MINN would push for Kepler being the odd man out in a deal with now Buxton, Taylor, Gallo, Gordon, (plus Lewis mid-season returning from injury) … Kepler at $8.5MM (and $10MM club option for 2024) is expensive and likely a platoon player for them. However, Gallo and Taylor are FA after the season … so Kepler has some extended value to MINN along with the long control for Gordon and Larnach.

Sort of a scenario for MINN where the deal if they get immediate upgrade (significant) to the RP or some team takes Kepler’s contract without offset. A “healthy” Pomeranz could fit that … but only near the end of ST if he is pitching effectively.

Quote from fenn68 on January 25, 2023, 9:53 am

Just read the piece on MLBTR about teams that need (want) LHRP to bolster their RP … they seem to think quite a few.

So, given Preller’s past of make deals during ST plus a good number of clear LHRP of various levels of quality, we may see movement there … maybe for an upgraded bench or maybe of a prospect depending on the pitcher moved.

Hader is not going anywhere but after that everyone is in the “that depends on the deal” category.

Pomeranz is in his own category … due to health, cost, control … but proven elite if healthy offset by major injury risk. Who is willing to take the risk and for what price? Do the Padres want to take the risk given the other LHRP back-up?

However others in play … low cost with long control: Hill, Castillo, Kerr, Cosgrove, and could argue Morejon … plus how Lopez does in ST will be a factor. Don’t really see any of them getting a major return … and all have minor league options … so unless part of a bigger deal … don’t see a move unless one bumps Hill.

Boils down to Pomeranz … there is a market if he is healthy … might be able to clear some payroll if not greedy on the return. In a separate move use that payroll space … e.g. add Teheran ($6MM) if a back end SP is needed and Teheran is the best out of ST (have to consider injury potential).

 

Quote from BoosterSD on January 25, 2023, 10:18 am

Listening to MLB on XM, and they were talking about the Rays wanting a LH bat added to their roster. They did not produce much power last season, and SD needs another SP in my mind. Grisham would have been 3rd on their team last season in HRs.

I know that TAM is a playoff caliber team, and so the trade would need to be beneficial to both teams, plus TAM is always looking to drop players when they get expensive. Tyler Glasnow is only $5M+ this season, but goes to $25M next season, and then is a FA. So you would think that TAM may look to ship him out this summer, could we get them to do it know?

I am not sure how all the pieces would fall into place, but something built around Glasnow and Grisham? Could expand the deal, and try to get Margot back to cover CF for SD. Would love it for SD to get Glasnow, Diaz, and Margot. Would need to figure out the pieces besides Grisham to go back to TAM.

Quote from fenn68 on January 25, 2023, 10:56 am

Quote from BoosterSD on January 25, 2023, 10:18 am

Listening to MLB on XM, and they were talking about the Rays wanting a LH bat added to their roster. They did not produce much power last season, and SD needs another SP in my mind. Grisham would have been 3rd on their team last season in HRs.

I know that TAM is a playoff caliber team, and so the trade would need to be beneficial to both teams, plus TAM is always looking to drop players when they get expensive. Tyler Glasnow is only $5M+ this season, but goes to $25M next season, and then is a FA. So you would think that TAM may look to ship him out this summer, could we get them to do it know?

I am not sure how all the pieces would fall into place, but something built around Glasnow and Grisham? Could expand the deal, and try to get Margot back to cover CF for SD. Would love it for SD to get Glasnow, Diaz, and Margot. Would need to figure out the pieces besides Grisham to go back to TAM.

I think TB would deal Glasnow to any team that would take his contract and not ask for much in return. No way they want that $25MM salary in 2024. (of course neither would the Padres).

Glasnow is the TB version of Padres' Pomeranz ... never healthy for a full season. 2018 111 innings then the next highest was 88 innings. Hard to imagine any team would rely on him for a full season and gamble $25MM in 2024.

Pass.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 25, 2023, 11:29 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 25, 2023, 10:56 am

 

I think TB would deal Glasnow to any team that would take his contract and not ask for much in return. No way they want that $25MM salary in 2024. (of course neither would the Padres).

Glasnow is the TB version of Padres' Pomeranz ... never healthy for a full season. 2018 111 innings then the next highest was 88 innings. Hard to imagine any team would rely on him for a full season and gamble $25MM in 2024.

Pass.

I didnt look at the innings history, did know that he was coming off TJ surgery though. Apparently he is the RH version of Snell. When healthy and right, he is dominant, just on the shelf too much.

Quote from Randy Manese on January 25, 2023, 11:56 am

We've partnered up with Tampa Bay before so another Preller trade with them is not out of the question.  In fact, this is the kind of high risk/high reward trade that Preller tends to make when he knows he's very close to nailing down a playoff/World Series spot.  Glasnow did dominate Cleveland in a post-season game last year and the few innings he threw were the kind of innings everyone knows Glasnow has in him.

I'd say don't rule it out and 25M for a relatively healthy Glasnow in the critically SP short (for now) 2024 season is not unreasonable if you think you can squeeze 125+ innings out of him, which is something that has not been done before at the major league level.   Not sure how that would work in a trade but likely some young pitchers going over in the deal, like our own injury-prone Morejon and Mazur (or Snelling), plus whatever position player(s) Tampa has its sights on - Grisham and Kim seem like the only possibilities unless they want Campusano.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 25, 2023, 12:04 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 25, 2023, 10:56 am

Quote from BoosterSD on January 25, 2023, 10:18 am

Listening to MLB on XM, and they were talking about the Rays wanting a LH bat added to their roster. They did not produce much power last season, and SD needs another SP in my mind. Grisham would have been 3rd on their team last season in HRs.

I know that TAM is a playoff caliber team, and so the trade would need to be beneficial to both teams, plus TAM is always looking to drop players when they get expensive. Tyler Glasnow is only $5M+ this season, but goes to $25M next season, and then is a FA. So you would think that TAM may look to ship him out this summer, could we get them to do it know?

I am not sure how all the pieces would fall into place, but something built around Glasnow and Grisham? Could expand the deal, and try to get Margot back to cover CF for SD. Would love it for SD to get Glasnow, Diaz, and Margot. Would need to figure out the pieces besides Grisham to go back to TAM.

I think TB would deal Glasnow to any team that would take his contract and not ask for much in return. No way they want that $25MM salary in 2024. (of course neither would the Padres).

Glasnow is the TB version of Padres' Pomeranz ... never healthy for a full season. 2018 111 innings then the next highest was 88 innings. Hard to imagine any team would rely on him for a full season and gamble $25MM in 2024.

Pass.

Wonder if we shipped Pomz $8.5 for Glasnow $30 mil (owed) if Rays covered $10mil and we threw in Crismatt .. and maybe a lower tier golden ticket spec like Rojas..

Even at 90 innings (15 starts) Glasnow would be HUGE for 2023 Padres..

** the upside being a healthier Glasnow at (in essence) $15mil for 2024.. a real need for SP season..