Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 17, 2023, 2:43 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 17, 2023, 1:22 pm

Cruz was signed six days ago but not yet “official” and not added to the 40 man (also no player movement to make room on the 40).

How long can they stretch this out? 7 days?

Probably his physical or physical results and also a possible trade to avoid DFA or maybe exploring who they can DFA and not get claimed... our 40 is pretty loaded with "useful" upgrades to most rosters, even Kerr/Poppen/Sullivan and Batten (my bottom 4 guys in no particular order) are likely to get snagged.. AJP knows it and maybe is trying to work a Crismatt for Intl $$ type deal.. Crismatt makes sense to about 90% of the league as well

Quote from dusty on January 17, 2023, 8:18 pm

I would think they can wait as long as needed to officially have Cruz sign. If they have a verbal agreement and it is known industry wise, it would be very bad PR on both sides for one to drop out. But until he puts ink to paper it isn’t official. My bet similarly to some of us is they are working hard at multiple possible deals with multiple teams. Worst case scenario they fall through/don’t happen and have to drop someone

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2023, 5:20 am

Duvall signs with the Red Sox for $7MM ($10MM with incentives).

What surprises me is that at this late date, with the FA market gutted, a 34 year old fading Duvall can still get a $7MM guarantee.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 18, 2023, 6:40 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2023, 5:20 am

Duvall signs with the Red Sox for $7MM ($10MM with incentives).

What surprises me is that at this late date, with the FA market gutted, a 34 year old fading Duvall can still get a $7MM guarantee.

While I am surprised a little at the amount as well, I think it ended up being the right time and the right situation. While you think the bat might be declining, from what I have seen both via MLBTR and from some of the talking heads on XM radio, he still offers really good OF defense, even to the point where he may become the starting CFer in BOS, allowing Kiki Hernandez to play SS for BOS.

And in all honesty, I think I would rather have Duvall for $7-10M (bonuses to get to $10M) than Bellinger for $17.5M.

So I will say good signing on BOS part.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 18, 2023, 6:59 am

Quote from BoosterSD on January 18, 2023, 6:40 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2023, 5:20 am

Duvall signs with the Red Sox for $7MM ($10MM with incentives).

What surprises me is that at this late date, with the FA market gutted, a 34 year old fading Duvall can still get a $7MM guarantee.

While I am surprised a little at the amount as well, I think it ended up being the right time and the right situation. While you think the bat might be declining, from what I have seen both via MLBTR and from some of the talking heads on XM radio, he still offers really good OF defense, even to the point where he may become the starting CFer in BOS, allowing Kiki Hernandez to play SS for BOS.

And in all honesty, I think I would rather have Duvall for $7-10M (bonuses to get to $10M) than Bellinger for $17.5M.

So I will say good signing on BOS part.

Profar and Boras might still be asking for $10+ and 3+... I think he should have stayed ..BUT that also probably meant no Carp and no Cruz.. So in a way we got better (even if these 2 give us less WAR vs Profar in 2023...not easy to quantify veteran leadership and WS pedigree

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 18, 2023, 7:30 am

My take on Morejon "stretching out" at SA this season.. is that we need to make up innings in SD .. Why not just stretch him out in the MLB.. clearly "stuff and upside" alone puts him at #4 SP..

I say start him and have an 80-100 inning limit on him.. wether that's 15 starts or 25 starts we will navigate as the season goes and as Morejon shows efficiency past more than 2-3 innings or 4-5 per start.. could piggy back someone like Crismatt or the like on his starts.. but get him in the rotation and on that SP schedule.. I think it was Conniff that said Morejon thrives when he has a set routine and knows when he is due to pitch in advance (aka SP)... We need to make up 300+ IP from 4th through 6th (+ whatever IP Nick and others had as SP in 2022 besides Gore/Clev and Sean).. why not let Morejon stretch at the MLB level for 80 of those...?

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2023, 7:32 am

Quote from BoosterSD on January 18, 2023, 6:40 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2023, 5:20 am

Duvall signs with the Red Sox for $7MM ($10MM with incentives).

What surprises me is that at this late date, with the FA market gutted, a 34 year old fading Duvall can still get a $7MM guarantee.

While I am surprised a little at the amount as well, I think it ended up being the right time and the right situation. While you think the bat might be declining, from what I have seen both via MLBTR and from some of the talking heads on XM radio, he still offers really good OF defense, even to the point where he may become the starting CFer in BOS, allowing Kiki Hernandez to play SS for BOS.

And in all honesty, I think I would rather have Duvall for $7-10M (bonuses to get to $10M) than Bellinger for $17.5M.

So I will say good signing on BOS part.

Would not have raised an eyebrow if that contract was given a month ago … but NOW? Can’t be many teams bidding on his services at this point … would think BOST could have squeezed the price down more. Not as though (even if he is good) he will be a game changers for the last place Red Sox.

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2023, 7:45 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 18, 2023, 7:30 am

My take on Morejon "stretching out" at SA this season.. is that we need to make up innings in SD .. Why not just stretch him out in the MLB.. clearly "stuff and upside" alone puts him at #4 SP..

I say start him and have an 80-100 inning limit on him.. wether that's 15 starts or 25 starts we will navigate as the season goes and as Morejon shows efficiency past more than 2-3 innings or 4-5 per start.. could piggy back someone like Crismatt or the like on his starts.. but get him in the rotation and on that SP schedule.. I think it was Conniff that said Morejon thrives when he has a set routine and knows when he is due to pitch in advance (aka SP)... We need to make up 300+ IP from 4th through 6th (+ whatever IP Nick and others had as SP in 2022 besides Gore/Clev and Sean).. why not let Morejon stretch at the MLB level for 80 of those...?

Is 80 innings out of the pen really stretching him out to be a SP in 2024? At least a SP than can go at least 150 innings? With only 3 years control using 2023 in the pen and 2024 a limited SP may not really do that much for the future.

Now could argue (if writing him off as a future SP) his biggest value is a LHRP (multi-inning) considering Pomeranz is a real injury risk for 2023 and both he and Hader are FA after the season. (Of course Morejon is also a major injury risk given his history).

Keeping Morejon will force a bump of someone … could go a lot of ways.

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Did hear an interview with Glaser … not really all that high on the future of either Morejon or Groome … thinks maybe at best a #5/6 SP. With Morejon, combo of injuries (seems to happen a lot) and never having been able to go deep into games even with starting. Not sure his issue with Groome.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 18, 2023, 8:38 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2023, 7:45 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 18, 2023, 7:30 am

My take on Morejon "stretching out" at SA this season.. is that we need to make up innings in SD .. Why not just stretch him out in the MLB.. clearly "stuff and upside" alone puts him at #4 SP..

I say start him and have an 80-100 inning limit on him.. wether that's 15 starts or 25 starts we will navigate as the season goes and as Morejon shows efficiency past more than 2-3 innings or 4-5 per start.. could piggy back someone like Crismatt or the like on his starts.. but get him in the rotation and on that SP schedule.. I think it was Conniff that said Morejon thrives when he has a set routine and knows when he is due to pitch in advance (aka SP)... We need to make up 300+ IP from 4th through 6th (+ whatever IP Nick and others had as SP in 2022 besides Gore/Clev and Sean).. why not let Morejon stretch at the MLB level for 80 of those...?

Is 80 innings out of the pen really stretching him out to be a SP in 2024? At least a SP than can go at least 150 innings? With only 3 years control using 2023 in the pen and 2024 a limited SP may not really do that much for the future.

Now could argue (if writing him off as a future SP) his biggest value is a LHRP (multi-inning) considering Pomeranz is a real injury risk for 2023 and both he and Hader are FA after the season. (Of course Morejon is also a major injury risk given his history).

Keeping Morejon will force a bump of someone … could go a lot of ways.

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Did hear an interview with Glaser … not really all that high on the future of either Morejon or Groome … thinks maybe at best a #5/6 SP. With Morejon, combo of injuries (seems to happen a lot) and never having been able to go deep into games even with starting. Not sure his issue with Groome.

I didn't say the pen.. he is our SP ... But how do you stretch a SP out ..cant go from 47 combined IP in 2022 to 100 in 2023... 80+ in 23.. 120 IP in 2024... not sure Morejon is a 150 IP guy.. how many even do that anymore?.. But 120 to 140 range is > than guys like Anderson and Gosolin which is fine...