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#3281 · January 16, 2023, 9:47 am
Let us not get too optimistic on the future for Engel (aging and fading) or Dahl (just failing for years) ... as it is potentially serviceable back ups (or not) ... but never players to RELY ON to be starters (or platoon options) ... especially as CF.
If either of them were still any good ... with a lot of ML teams wanting CF support ... some team (like MIA) would have signed Engel for more that $1MM or Dahl on a minor league deal. Engel has recently played limited CF and had a negative dWAR (lost a lot of range) and Dahl has over the past few years only seen CF in pictures and no team has wanted him in the ML. I would not do anything that would put them in line for regular CF work on this Padre team.
Azocar is currently a better CF than either Engel or Dahl ... and not a worse hitter but still not a good hitter ... and likely over a full season of exposure to ML pitching ... worse than the was in 2022.
As for getting Berti potentially for a CF option ... over the past 3 season barely played CF and despite his speed had a negative dWAR.
Grisham is not may hero but a legit gold glove defensive CF, LHH with power ... that complements this Padre team which is an offensive powerhouse. Plus low cost with 3 years control. Better game that Grisham rebounds into a .230 hitter than getting anything useful out of the alternatives.
Take Grisham off the trade block.
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#3282 · January 16, 2023, 10:24 am
Quote from Randy Manese on January 16, 2023, 9:33 amWatched a lot of El Paso games on MiLB and my take is that Rosario is about average defensively at 2b and 3b and below average at shortstop. Kim is elite defensively at all three positions. Kim has a better history as a hitter because of his years in the KBO and appears ready to move up his offensive game a bit this year. Eggy struggles with breaking stuff but has improved his strike zone judgment in the past year, however, not sure he can hit 225 over the long haul in the majors. Don't see Rosario as an equivalent substitute for Kim but certainly hoping he has a breakout spring training that validates possible growth.
If Kim is traded early in ST, likely see Schrock moved up or, wait for it, the re-signing of Profar at a much lower salary than Profar thought he would get. Profar would be the super utility guy and could play 1b, if he starts to hit, with Croney moving back to 2b. Still got to move some money to make this scenario happen. Profar would love to come back to SD.
I could see that play out.
From what I have heard ... Rosario may end up that super utility guy but best suited for 3B. Still questions about his bat ... last season AWAY from EP (247 AB) a slash line of 243/323/425 in the hitter friendly PCL Suggesting that I would not rely on his ML readiness for 2023.
Key on a Kim move is getting a team to take his full $7MM contract and give a legit mid-upper rotation arm at (or near) league minimum. Then have to have lined-up the signing of Profar (lower base with incentives to stay under the next threshold). Cronenworth back to 2B and 1B/DH becomes a rotation of Profar / Carpenter / Cruz.
Just not holding my breath on the Padres dealing Kim NOW. They are sitting in the catbird's seat as one of the best teams in the NL and have an internal giant fall off with any replacements for Kim. S0, Preller is not going to jump to just make a deal unless it is for the "right" SP.
On the other side ... not a lot of teams actually want to deal a proven mid-rotation SP who is low cost with control (if they have one that Preller covets) ... and another team has to want to play for a trade to come down. I know ATL keeps coming up ... and I see the potential need there for a Kim but not sure ATL does and actually may covet retention of the that mid-rotation SP a lot more than adding a SS when the could at this point just sign Iglesais or Andrus on low cost 1 year deals (as insurance behind Grissom). Not going to re-sign Fried after the next two seasons so need SP coming. Plus they did win 100 games so not in a panic.
Think MIA is the only real option with quality proven SP to give and an apparent willingness. They are probably pushing Lopez (but at 2 control years and nearly $6MM) creates a backfill issue for the Padres vs payroll. Preller probably prefers Luzardo (maybe Cabrera). Guessing Rogers and Garrett (although desirable prospects) don't fill the bill as a proven mid-rotation guy for 2023. Stalemate while MIA markets their SP to others in a world that needs and wants SP.
#3283 · January 16, 2023, 11:19 am
Quote from Randy Manese on January 16, 2023, 9:33 amWatched a lot of El Paso games on MiLB and my take is that Rosario is about average defensively at 2b and 3b and below average at shortstop. Kim is elite defensively at all three positions. Kim has a better history as a hitter because of his years in the KBO and appears ready to move up his offensive game a bit this year. Eggy struggles with breaking stuff but has improved his strike zone judgment in the past year, however, not sure he can hit 225 over the long haul in the majors. Don't see Rosario as an equivalent substitute for Kim but certainly hoping he has a breakout spring training that validates possible growth.
If Kim is traded early in ST, likely see Schrock moved up or, wait for it, the re-signing of Profar at a much lower salary than Profar thought he would get. Profar would be the super utility guy and could play 1b, if he starts to hit, with Croney moving back to 2b. Still got to move some money to make this scenario happen. Profar would love to come back to SD.
Profar's infectious personality is probably the one dude out there that could make a Kim trade palatable for the Team Chemistry angle of it... good call
#3284 · January 16, 2023, 11:22 am
Padres Sign Domingo Tapia To Minor League Deal https://t.co/VnxlXzkD8l pic.twitter.com/SsQlIEuFRH
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 16, 2023
More Depth
Avg velo 97.9... hello
#3285 · January 16, 2023, 11:31 am
Only other rumor I've seen has Kim to Boston for Tanner Houck. Don't think that will happen. Houck has potential but not a proven starter - more like Martinez ilk. Probably Luzardo over Cabrera although Cabrera makes league minimum while Luzardo likely over 2.5M in arbitration. Kim for Cabrera gets pretty close to the amount to get Profar on an incentive based deal - would be nice if we could get Miami to take Hill for a little more breathing room. Unless Profar gets an overwhelming offer, think he'll wait to see what the Padres do in the next few weeks.
#3286 · January 16, 2023, 11:36 am
Quote from Randy Manese on January 16, 2023, 11:31 amOnly other rumor I've seen has Kim to Boston for Tanner Houck. Don't think that will happen. Houck has potential but not a proven starter - more like Martinez ilk. Probably Luzardo over Cabrera although Cabrera makes league minimum while Luzardo likely over 2.5M in arbitration. Kim for Cabrera gets pretty close to the amount to get Profar on an incentive based deal - would be nice if we could get Miami to take Hill for a little more breathing room. Unless Profar gets an overwhelming offer, think he'll wait to see what the Padres do in the next few weeks.
I'd rather send them Garcia.. as Hill still has control (beyond 2023) and options (I do believe)
#3287 · January 16, 2023, 11:36 am
I guess my train of thought is different. I think that we have enough offense/guys to cover the trades of Kim and Grisham. Sure, the combo of Engel/Dahl/Azocar/Batten/Dixon all have warts, but the additions of Bogaerts, Carpenter, Cruz makes me think we can survive on defense and offense in the event of a move of Kim and/or Grisham.
What makes me worried is SP. After Darvish, Musgrove, and Snell the warts on the remaining SP options IMO are worse than the warts on the position players. When was the last time that Snell went from bell to bell in a season, let alone for the Padres. There is no way SD can rely on Martinez being the 3rd SP option should one of the big three go down.
I agree, Preller is in the catbird seat, and does not need to make a move to make a move. But the right move, for the right SP, would not only be prudent, but wise. Even with the offense that SD has, this team will go only as far as the pitching takes them especially in the playoffs, and that is dangerously thin on the starting side IMO.
And as far as CBT goes, I personally think that they are already over the $273M mark, so need reason to get bashful now. This is the season guys, too many FA SP able to walk out the door after 2023, along with Machado.
If you can get the right deal for Kim or Grisham or Kim and Grisham do it, and then push forward and back fill with some combo of Profar, Diaz, Michael A Taylor.
CBT penalties, 92%! World Series Championship Trophy......priceless!!
#3288 · January 16, 2023, 11:41 am
Right-hander Angel Sánchez is in agreement on a minor-league contract with the San Diego Padres, source said. Sánchez, who spent the last two seasons with the Yomiuri Giants, gets an invite to spring training.
— Robert Murray (@ByRobertMurray) January 16, 2023
Angel Sanchez .. there is another SP
#3289 · January 16, 2023, 11:44 am
Quote from Randy Manese on January 16, 2023, 11:31 amOnly other rumor I've seen has Kim to Boston for Tanner Houck. Don't think that will happen. Houck has potential but not a proven starter - more like Martinez ilk. Probably Luzardo over Cabrera although Cabrera makes league minimum while Luzardo likely over 2.5M in arbitration. Kim for Cabrera gets pretty close to the amount to get Profar on an incentive based deal - would be nice if we could get Miami to take Hill for a little more breathing room. Unless Profar gets an overwhelming offer, think he'll wait to see what the Padres do in the next few weeks.
I agree, we already have two of those guys in Martinez and Lugo. I think Luzardo makes the most sense, and he has four years of additional control, so good for SD moving forward in regards to Snell and Darvish.
Lets say SD could sign Profar for around $5.5-6M, or they could trade for Diaz for roughly the same money, plus prospects of course.
Depending on the prospects that TAM would want, which bat would you prefer in the line up, Profar or Diaz? Profar offers the positional flexibility, Diaz is strictly corner INF, but a much better bat, and would be a decent piece, should Machado opt out and not be resigned next season. Not saying Diaz can replace Manny, because few could, but his production for price point would be a really nice piece to have in case.
#3290 · January 16, 2023, 11:53 am
Quote from BoosterSD on January 16, 2023, 11:44 amQuote from Randy Manese on January 16, 2023, 11:31 amOnly other rumor I've seen has Kim to Boston for Tanner Houck. Don't think that will happen. Houck has potential but not a proven starter - more like Martinez ilk. Probably Luzardo over Cabrera although Cabrera makes league minimum while Luzardo likely over 2.5M in arbitration. Kim for Cabrera gets pretty close to the amount to get Profar on an incentive based deal - would be nice if we could get Miami to take Hill for a little more breathing room. Unless Profar gets an overwhelming offer, think he'll wait to see what the Padres do in the next few weeks.
I agree, we already have two of those guys in Martinez and Lugo. I think Luzardo makes the most sense, and he has four years of additional control, so good for SD moving forward in regards to Snell and Darvish.
Lets say SD could sign Profar for around $5.5-6M, or they could trade for Diaz for roughly the same money, plus prospects of course.
Depending on the prospects that TAM would want, which bat would you prefer in the line up, Profar or Diaz? Profar offers the positional flexibility, Diaz is strictly corner INF, but a much better bat, and would be a decent piece, should Machado opt out and not be resigned next season. Not saying Diaz can replace Manny, because few could, but his production for price point would be a really nice piece to have in case.
Or Elly De La Cruz ???
See what I did there...