Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 14, 2023, 7:10 am

Quote from WindsorUK on January 14, 2023, 5:33 am

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings?t=trades-and-transactions

Apparently Kim for Lopez being talked about?

If straight up, do we do it? I'd say yes. We need young controllable arms.

Still think Kim (2 ND best overall SS season in Padre History -2022- Ozzie/Tatis/Greene/Tempy/Fernandez and all- is at an all-time high value wise is Lopez (a need sure) enough for him? Would Berti + Lopez for Kim + Garcia be a better return?..

or Cooper + Lopez?... could we expand this and get Lopez + another SP (Luzardo/Cabrera/Rogers other) really bolstering our SP Depth?

Kim is such a solid dude, fan favorite and hustle guy .. its almost like some guy needs a liver and kidney transfer but has at least a year to get it done.. but an opportunity comes to trade his Heart for a Liver and Kidney while getting an artificial heart .. I get the "logic" BUT 2 yrs for 2yrs meh.. 2yrs for 3 or 4 (aka Luzardo- and lefty- >)

Quote from 3fingersplit on January 14, 2023, 7:23 am

You under value Kim so NO

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 14, 2023, 7:25 am

Grish (Engel/Azocar/Tatis) and CF is much easier to cover with Grish being the piece to Miami

Kim would require Jake to 2B..creating a ? At 1st (Campy has some 1B in hin/Carp could probably start 50-80 there/Cruz wouldn't want to see him on the field /Dixon can play there ) definetely not the same level of D vs Jake..and a rotation at 1B not ideal for INF continuity defensively...

Otherwise we would start our rookie - (like Phillies and Astros did at 2B/SS) in Eguy Rosario and hope he is at least a mlb avg replacement with solid D..

Quote from fenn68 on January 14, 2023, 7:44 am

Grisham and Kim are gold glove quality starters. However, beyond the current eight starting position players have zero confidence the Padres have ML quality replacements to cover a full season.

OF: Azocar play decent defense but hitting was failing as the league saw him (never a top prospect), Engel has to be a concern since a lot of teams needing CF (incl MIA) just passed on him before SD signed him as a back-up; Dahl is an unwanted FA who was lucky to get a minor league deal … take out Grisham and one of them becomes a regular … not good.

INF: a lot to suspect about Carpenter / Cruz full time  … both old and not full time protectable … Carpenter has a good comeback in NY but in the years just before not so much and Cruz faded in the latter part of 2022. As much reason for them to be poor as to be good and a longer gamble that BOTH being good. Rosario is an unproven prospect that was not so impressive AWAY from EP last season. Batten / Dixon are just minor league bodies.

Can’t even see a quality replacement as a starter for either then worse the next up if there is an injury. Also, adding a Lopez does cost payroll for Grisham and saves only about $1MM for Kim … that can’t even buy a bad FA. Can’t expect to make another trade for backfill of any quality.

No to a trade for Lopez.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 14, 2023, 7:57 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 14, 2023, 7:44 am

Grisham and Kim are gold glove quality starters. However, beyond the current eight starting position players have zero confidence the Padres have ML quality replacements to cover a full season.

OF: Azocar play decent defense but hitting was failing as the league saw him (never a top prospect), Engel has to be a concern since a lot of teams needing CF (incl MIA) just passed on him before SD signed him as a back-up; Dahl is an unwanted FA who was lucky to get a minor league deal … take out Grisham and one of them becomes a regular … not good.

INF: a lot to suspect about Carpenter / Cruz full time  … both old and not full time protectable … Carpenter has a good comeback in NY but in the years just before not so much and Cruz faded in the latter part of 2022. As much reason for them to be poor as to be good and a longer gamble that BOTH being good. Rosario is an unproven prospect that was not so impressive AWAY from EP last season. Batten / Dixon are just minor league bodies.

Can’t even see a quality replacement as a starter for either then worse the next up if there is an injury. Also, adding a Lopez does cost payroll for Grisham and saves only about $1MM for Kim … that can’t even buy a bad FA. Can’t expect to make another trade for backfill of any quality.

No to a trade for Lopez.

I mean Luzardo + Weddle or Luzardo + Berti sure..

But Lopez doesn't move the needle much for me.. (for Kim )

I wouldn't mind Lopez (depth- not a needle mover) but not at the cost (Kim) being reported..

I know with payroll constraints Grish/Kim (FA in 2024) and/or Jake ..at least ONE will have to be move to maximize their value before they hit FA..but I don't think right now or even 2023 is the right time to do so..unless we get a needle mover, long term control piece.. Luzardo fills that need..as he can replace Snell beyond 23 and be as good on the mound potentially.. Otherwise ride with Lugo/Groome and the rest for 2023 ..

BTW Groome been working out with Joe and is getting in real good shape for ST.. I am 💯 he is going to be the #5/6 guy in 2023 and beyond.. he has some of that DOG he had in HS and early in his minor league career Back... and that's all he needs..

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 14, 2023, 8:03 am

https://twitter.com/MiserableSDFan/status/1614287315555475456?t=ldM7URm6Yh15X7_q-L_dAw&s=19

Kim changing his swing quite a bit here and now.. the upper cut seems to have calmed down a lot.. thats a really nice path thru the zone now..

Quote from BoosterSD on January 14, 2023, 9:16 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 14, 2023, 7:44 am

Grisham and Kim are gold glove quality starters. However, beyond the current eight starting position players have zero confidence the Padres have ML quality replacements to cover a full season.

I agree, I do not do a 1 for 1 trade of Kim for Lopez. I would look at Lopez and Berti for Kim, but even that still doesnt help SDs money issues.

I know our CF options are iffy outside of Grisham and Tatis, but I would still would look at mega deal with MIA.

Where MIA gets Kim, Grisham, Crismatt, and Rosario/or ??. SD gets Luzardo, Garret, and Berti. I prefer Berti over Wendle, longer control and probably more speed.

Quote from Randy Manese on January 14, 2023, 10:17 am

Glad to see that Kim is getting the recognition he deserves on this board.  Prior to the 2022 season most posts I read wrote him off as a failed sign out of the KBO and would give him up for a bag of baseballs to get rid of his salary but those that believed in the flashes of offensive talent he displayed beyond his outstanding defense could see growth coming.  Kim finished the second half of last season with a 269/328/409 slash line - those numbers aren't elite but better than Tim Anderson, Jeremy Pena, Bobby Witt, the Crawfords and others put up in the 2nd half last year.  Not saying he's in the Lindor, Seager, Turner, Correa, etc. class or could reach the offensive potential of Witt, Franco or O'Neill Cruz but with his defense could be in the mix for being among the upper level of the next tier of shortstops (if he stayed at ss) this coming year.  As a 2b man, expect him to have similar overall impact.

I base this on the premise that if you can get just a little more growth by cutting down on that uppercut resulting in more line drives and getting more barrels on velocity, then it is not hard to push that slash line to possibly 270/330/430 with maybe 12-15 HRs and 20+ SBs.  He'll never have the numbers he had in the KBO but this is a solid starter for most teams despite his $7M salary.  Add in his stellar defense at multiple positions and you have a guy that you probably will be better off not trading for a #4 starter because you don't have anything like him in your system as a replacement (not until Merrill is ready).  Kim just turned 27 in October, so he should be entering his peak years as a player - don't sell low on him!  Even if he doesn't fully reach the optimistic slash line projections, his defense, baserunning skills and hustle make him a very valuable member of the Padres.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 14, 2023, 11:08 am

Quote from Randy Manese on January 14, 2023, 10:17 am

Glad to see that Kim is getting the recognition he deserves on this board.  Prior to the 2022 season most posts I read wrote him off as a failed sign out of the KBO and would give him up for a bag of baseballs to get rid of his salary but those that believed in the flashes of offensive talent he displayed beyond his outstanding defense could see growth coming.  Kim finished the second half of last season with a 269/328/409 slash line - those numbers aren't elite but better than Tim Anderson, Jeremy Pena, Bobby Witt, the Crawfords and others put up in the 2nd half last year.  Not saying he's in the Lindor, Seager, Turner, Correa, etc. class or could reach the offensive potential of Witt, Franco or O'Neill Cruz but with his defense could be in the mix for being among the upper level of the next tier of shortstops (if he stayed at ss) this coming year.  As a 2b man, expect him to have similar overall impact.

I base this on the premise that if you can get just a little more growth by cutting down on that uppercut resulting in more line drives and getting more barrels on velocity, then it is not hard to push that slash line to possibly 270/330/430 with maybe 12-15 HRs and 20+ SBs.  He'll never have the numbers he had in the KBO but this is a solid starter for most teams despite his $7M salary.  Add in his stellar defense at multiple positions and you have a guy that you probably will be better off not trading for a #4 starter because you don't have anything like him in your system as a replacement (not until Merrill is ready).  Kim just turned 27 in October, so he should be entering his peak years as a player - don't sell low on him!  Even if he doesn't fully reach the optimistic slash line projections, his defense, baserunning skills and hustle make him a very valuable member of the Padres.

 

I am a little more bullish on Kim and with the ability to rest him in 2023 and the lesser demands of 2B vs SS on the body I have him at .280/ 340/.410.. with 20/20/20 HR/SB/2Bs+

So yeah the return for him would have to be much greater than Lopez 💯  and I believe in Groome and others putting together solid/great 2023 from the mound

Look at NYY Montas ST hasn't even started and he is out 1 or 2 months already (for the reg sesson).. P depth is solid with ?? But also with arms that have "stuff" to work with or in Teheran's case looking at a rebound in the Cueto realm.. I think we are better off adding a few more such arms to our AAA/AA squads as insurance for what we already have ..vs trading away a KEY (heart and Seoul*) type 💜 player like Kim for just another 4th-5th arm... we can pivot in ST or early on or at deadline as need be