Quote from MrPadre19 on December 14, 2022, 9:07 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:50 am

Kim shows arb 3 in 2026 in Spotrac... similar to Othani once contract ends he has arb yrs left

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/ha-seong-kim-70890/#:~:text=Ha-seong%20Kim%20signed%20a,a%20total%20salary%20of%20%247%2C000%2C000.

 

Shows $7 mil for 2023...$7 mil for 2024...$7 mil for 2025 and "vested" under status.

Not saying it's correct...but that's what it says.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 9:08 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 8:34 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 14, 2022, 7:55 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 7:46 am

Don’t think the Padres would need to add to Kim. Arraez is a good hitter but not a premium position player no power and questionable defense which flys against the theme of having quality defense up the middle without the shift.

I put Kim’s value (not a bad hitter but elite defense and versatility to cover SS) above Arraez for the Padres.

Even better, Kim straight up for Arraez, leave Crone at 2B, and put Arraez at 1B, where he played 65 games for MIN in 2022.

That might be the better defensive alignment …. Based on Fangraphs WAR in 2022 they were about the same (Kim slightly better). Kim is only about $2MM more than Arraez in 2023 so money is not the issue. Padres do pick up an extra control year in Arraez and a LHH for the lead-off slot.

So, a pretty equal deal of adding offense while lowering defense at 1B.

Now if that happened be prepared of the complaints that want POWER at 1B. However, since not much change in payroll … Padres could still be in the market for a defensive 1B  with Power (Myers looking at you) and Arraez becomes the DH/utility piece (as he was in MINN) that could pop up at 2B/1B/LF. Padres do need a net +1 hitter and that would still be there in a Kim/Arraez swap.

Even if that is a good deal on both sides … would not be surprised Preller would try for a deal with more parts … specifically Kepler (LHH, plus defense in OF) to protect against the unknowns surrounding Tatis. Even if Tatis is healthy … Kepler seeing time in RF might allow Tatis to DH in an effort to keep him healthy or free him up for SS/2B if injuries happen to Bogaert or others.

Yeah Arraez is as close to T Gwynn as a hitter as there is in baseball today.. I dont see how anyone can complain

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 14, 2022, 9:09 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 9:04 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:50 am

Kim shows arb 3 in 2026 in Spotrac... similar to Othani once contract ends he has arb yrs left

Personally would never rely on Spotrac since the seem to be consistently out of step with the two pretty reliable source in Cot's and Roster Resource.

Did we not just go over the difference between Othani's contact signed before he turned 24 (so subject to the 6 years control) and someone else who signed after age 24 where the control years don't apply.

Who runs Spotrac?

"Sources: MLB contract specifics generally collected from Baseball Prospectus & Rotoworld."

 

Disclaimer at the bottom.

I like the word "generally" that was added.

lol

 

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 9:16 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:54 am

Don't forget Cristmatt might be an attractive +1 BP add to any package ..out of options and borderline #13 p.. if rule V Lopez is as good as I think he will be ..cant tie our hands up with out of options Cristmat..

Agree he could be a good add to tip a deal ... pitched innings in 2022 with a very good ERA. Padres would likely be willing to move him considering they did option him near the end of the season (probably was tiring).

A lot of Padres scenarios that could create a better 13th pitcher option. That should be true even if they deal Pomeranz (hopefully). Locked in are Hader, Suarez, Hill, Garcia, Wilson ... so if they go 5 SP (without Morejon) they are at 6 RP needing two out of a lot of decent options ... if they go 6 SP (without Morejon) only one more RP ... that is IF they deal Pomeranz.

If the Padres sign another SP and Teheran impresses for the 6th SP (betting they go with 6 SP to start the season) ... good chance Crismatt is dealt in ST. Note: not sure Kerr has much value other than a throw in given his age and AAA performance

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 9:22 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 14, 2022, 9:07 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:50 am

Kim shows arb 3 in 2026 in Spotrac... similar to Othani once contract ends he has arb yrs left

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/ha-seong-kim-70890/#:~:text=Ha-seong%20Kim%20signed%20a,a%20total%20salary%20of%20%247%2C000%2C000.

 

Shows $7 mil for 2023...$7 mil for 2024...$7 mil for 2025 and "vested" under status.

Not saying it's correct...but that's what it says.

 

the others have $7MM in 2023 and $8MM in 2024 ... and mutual option in 2025 at $8MM.

I would not bet on Spotrac who seems off on the vesting and the annual salary vs RR and Cot's.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 9:29 am

I have a feeling we going BIG on a FA SP.. and have an equally BIG trade coming

AKA.. Boras - Rodon- NYY offered yet to sign..- swoope and steal

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 9:36 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 14, 2022, 9:09 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 9:04 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:50 am

Kim shows arb 3 in 2026 in Spotrac... similar to Othani once contract ends he has arb yrs left

Personally would never rely on Spotrac since the seem to be consistently out of step with the two pretty reliable source in Cot's and Roster Resource.

Did we not just go over the difference between Othani's contact signed before he turned 24 (so subject to the 6 years control) and someone else who signed after age 24 where the control years don't apply.

Who runs Spotrac?

"Sources: MLB contract specifics generally collected from Baseball Prospectus & Rotoworld."

 

Disclaimer at the bottom.

I like the word "generally" that was added.

lol

 

Interesting since Baseball Perspective links to Cot's on contracts data and per Cot's

Ha-Seong Kim 2b-ss
4 years/$28M (2021-24), plus 2025 option

• 4 years/$28M (2021-24), plus 2025 mutual option
  • signed by San Diego as a free agent from South Korea 12/20
  • may earn additional $4M in performance bonuses based on plate appearances
  • 21:$5M, 22:$6M, 23:$7M, 24:$8M, 25:mutual option $2M buyout (2022-25 figures are estimates)

Also the line for Rotoworld looks like all they did was take the $28MM and flat-lined it over the 4 years then kept going over the option year ... they had him a FA in 2026.

Roster Resource has Kim:

Ha-Seong Kim

27.2

2.000

4 yr, $28M (2021-24), 2025 mutual option

same cash flow as Cot's.

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 9:46 am

Chris Bassitt agreed to a three-year, $63MM deal with the Blue Jays earlier this week, but Jon Heyman of The New York Post reports that the Padres were in on the bidding and were one of the finalists. It’s not known if they made a formal offer or what it looked like, but the fact that they were somewhat close is nonetheless noteworthy.

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The key here is that it appears they were not shying away from a pitcher with a QO but did not top $63MM/3 years. However might suggest that something near $20MM is still in play (for the right players).

Not sure Rodon at $30MM AAV for seven (or even six) fits ... or is even smart. I just don't know about Eovaldi ... probably more in line with Bassitt's deal ... NYY now again in mix. Maybe Padres see some real cautions in him or maybe he knows he can stay on the East Coast for the money with NYY/BOST and that is his preference.

Trade is looking more promising but for more a mid / lower rotation arm or sign a similar in the $10MM range ... then keep some powder dry for the trade deadline.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 14, 2022, 10:47 am

Our starting rotation as it sits now is Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Martinez, and TBD from Groome, Morejon, Weathers, and a couple others that struggled in AAA last season. Yes, with our offense, should be able to win some slugfests with Martinez and ?? on the mound. I dont think that is the best strategy for a successful season, which as it stands, should be focused on winning the division, dont think that just scraping into the playoffs is the goal of the FO/Ownership.

With that said, and the theoretical $20M that would have gone towards Bassitt, we have room to add one or two more SPs for #4 spot, sliding Martinez down one, and injury depth. I do think that it would be smart to limit Martinez to twice through an opposing line up, and Morejon (if truly being transitioned back to a SP) to piggy back Martinez starts. Morejon could go 3 innings per game, at roughly 31 games, would build him up to about 90-100 innings safely. I would look to add Syndergaard at around $15M, and see if Davies would take a split ML/MiL deal for injury back up. That would put 6 guys into play for our rotation Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Syndergaard, Martinez/Morejon. Leaving seven guys for the bullpen, Hader, Suarez, Pomeranz, Hill, Wilson, Garcia, and Lopez (if he can hang as Rule V guy).

Final thoughts, sign Syndergaard for $15M, and Davies for $5M reward for the split contract and call the pitching staff good.