Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:31 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 8:09 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 7:57 am

A Kim move does open the door for Merrill at SS within the next 2 yrs with X sliding over

Do we really have the scouting to believe Merrill is a better defense SS than Bogaerts? Merrill may arrive as a 2B for all we know.

Scouts I've talked to say Merrill is the best fielding SS in SD (minors and MLB)... so take that for what it is..

 

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 8:34 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 14, 2022, 7:55 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 7:46 am

Don’t think the Padres would need to add to Kim. Arraez is a good hitter but not a premium position player no power and questionable defense which flys against the theme of having quality defense up the middle without the shift.

I put Kim’s value (not a bad hitter but elite defense and versatility to cover SS) above Arraez for the Padres.

Even better, Kim straight up for Arraez, leave Crone at 2B, and put Arraez at 1B, where he played 65 games for MIN in 2022.

That might be the better defensive alignment …. Based on Fangraphs WAR in 2022 they were about the same (Kim slightly better). Kim is only about $2MM more than Arraez in 2023 so money is not the issue. Padres do pick up an extra control year in Arraez and a LHH for the lead-off slot.

So, a pretty equal deal of adding offense while lowering defense at 1B.

Now if that happened be prepared of the complaints that want POWER at 1B. However, since not much change in payroll … Padres could still be in the market for a defensive 1B  with Power (Myers looking at you) and Arraez becomes the DH/utility piece (as he was in MINN) that could pop up at 2B/1B/LF. Padres do need a net +1 hitter and that would still be there in a Kim/Arraez swap.

Even if that is a good deal on both sides … would not be surprised Preller would try for a deal with more parts … specifically Kepler (LHH, plus defense in OF) to protect against the unknowns surrounding Tatis. Even if Tatis is healthy … Kepler seeing time in RF might allow Tatis to DH in an effort to keep him healthy or free him up for SS/2B if injuries happen to Bogaert or others.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 14, 2022, 8:44 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 8:34 am

Now if that happened be prepared of the complaints that want POWER at 1B. However, since not much change in payroll … Padres could still be in the market for a defensive 1B  with Power (Myers looking at you) and Arraez becomes the DH/utility piece (as he was in MINN) that could pop up at 2B/1B/LF. Padres do need a net +1 hitter and that would still be there in a Kim/Arraez swap.

And usually, I would be one to complain about that. However, I think we have enough power on this team with Machado, a full season of Soto, the add of Bogaerts, and close to a full season of Tatis. Even Crone and Grisham have some power. Arraez sets the table for the power/RBI guys behind him.

Myers is a fan favorite, plays the game right, and is good at 1B and LF. Would be a good balance between Arraez and Myers.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 14, 2022, 8:46 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 8:34 am

Even if that is a good deal on both sides … would not be surprised Preller would try for a deal with more parts … specifically Kepler (LHH, plus defense in OF) to protect against the unknowns surrounding Tatis. Even if Tatis is healthy … Kepler seeing time in RF might allow Tatis to DH in an effort to keep him healthy or free him up for SS/2B if injuries happen to Bogaert or others.

At that time, you could get closer to your original deal, Kim and Pomeranz for Arreaz and Kepler. Maybe add Kerr into the deal to help offset the health question of Pomeranz.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:50 am

Kim shows arb 3 in 2026 in Spotrac... similar to Othani once contract ends he has arb yrs left

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:54 am

Don't forget Cristmatt might be an attractive +1 BP add to any package ..out of options and borderline #13 p.. if rule V Lopez is as good as I think he will be ..cant tie our hands up with out of options Cristmat..

Quote from fenn68 on December 14, 2022, 9:04 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 8:50 am

Kim shows arb 3 in 2026 in Spotrac... similar to Othani once contract ends he has arb yrs left

Personally would never rely on Spotrac since the seem to be consistently out of step with the two pretty reliable source in Cot's and Roster Resource.

Did we not just go over the difference between Othani's contact signed before he turned 24 (so subject to the 6 years control) and someone else who signed after age 24 where the control years don't apply.

Who runs Spotrac?

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 14, 2022, 9:05 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 14, 2022, 7:57 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 7:35 am

Kim has 4 yrs control... and to me and to his 5.1 WAR 2022.. and at his price $$ he is arguably the most valuable trade chip in baseball at this moment... AJP/Peter need a face to face with Manny and Kim "Before" though the Chemistry of the Team comes 1st... then ask for the Moon/the stars and the sun for HSK

Where are you getting 4 years of control from, cite your source.

Yes, Kim is valuable, but he is not the most valuable trade chip in baseball. He might not even be the most valuable trade chip in SD.

Obviously Tatis and Soto are both better trade chips.

As is Musgrove with all these new contracts recently....and Cronenworth....and Manny.

 

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 14, 2022, 9:05 am

Wonder if there is a 3 way world Minn/Toronto in which we end up with Arraez + Jansen in a Kim trade