Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 6:00 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 5:52 pm

So, if the Padres go to the trade route the market may allow them to avoid using Merrill / Lesko types and maybe focus more on Rosario, Knehr, and that level. The selling team has little choice if the buyers will not budge on the elite prospects who are seeming carrying a major value.

With all the players that OAK got today in the Murphy trade, a 40 man casualty was Vimael Machin. Looked at his MiL numbers and seems like a versatile LHH that can play almost every position. Maybe a LHH Rosario. He has two options left, so I wonder if he would be worth the waiver claim, if he reaches SD spot.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 6:01 pm

Quote from sportwarrior on December 12, 2022, 5:54 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 5:37 pm

Quote from sportwarrior on December 12, 2022, 4:38 pm

I sure have an odd feeling about the last two off-seasons...

Strike out on Suzuki

Strike out on Turner

Strike out on Judge

Strike out on Senga

Strike out on Vazquez

Strike out on any material pitching or offensive additions at all?

Also, Scherzer refused to come here via trade...

The only major piece we were able to attract was Bogaerts, and even then we only did so by absolutely obliterating all other offers.

Should we be reading into this or what?

EDIT: To be clear, I have been adamant with friends and family that there isn't a "trend" here, and that each case has its own reasons and context for not going our way...

BUT...

It is starting to feel a little weird.

Judge, I dont think anything short of an extra $100M was going to stop him from resigning with the NYY. There is a glamour that comes along with being a lifetime Yankee.

Turner, happy wife-happy life.

It appears to me, a majority of the high level Japanese have gone to bigger metropolitan areas. So that explains Senga and Suzuki. NYY, NYM, BOS, CHI, Darvish and Ichiro being the exceptions.

I havent read anything about Scherzer refusing a trade to SD. He had the right to, but did not read that he was going to. Moreso that LAD did outbid SD for the two of them.

Plus, dont forget, Preller puts a value on a player and usually does not exceed that, so if someone bids more than his value, so be it.

 

Yeah, like I said, there's context and reason behind each one. The conversation was meant to be about the overall trend given we all understand that.

We got Xander...  pretty happy with that

LAD doesn't seem to be getting them either

Or SF for that matter.. its "elite" FA .. most Big Boys are happy landing ONE.. most don't land any...

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 6:03 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 6:00 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 5:52 pm

So, if the Padres go to the trade route the market may allow them to avoid using Merrill / Lesko types and maybe focus more on Rosario, Knehr, and that level. The selling team has little choice if the buyers will not budge on the elite prospects who are seeming carrying a major value.

With all the players that OAK got today in the Murphy trade, a 40 man casualty was Vimael Machin. Looked at his MiL numbers and seems like a versatile LHH that can play almost every position. Maybe a LHH Rosario. He has two options left, so I wonder if he would be worth the waiver claim, if he reaches SD spot.

Could fill the Alcantara role for 2023.. is he an upgrade over Batten or Rosario? Or a downgrade/lateral move?

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 6:05 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 6:00 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 5:52 pm

So, if the Padres go to the trade route the market may allow them to avoid using Merrill / Lesko types and maybe focus more on Rosario, Knehr, and that level. The selling team has little choice if the buyers will not budge on the elite prospects who are seeming carrying a major value.

With all the players that OAK got today in the Murphy trade, a 40 man casualty was Vimael Machin. Looked at his MiL numbers and seems like a versatile LHH that can play almost every position. Maybe a LHH Rosario. He has two options left, so I wonder if he would be worth the waiver claim, if he reaches SD spot.

I'd be calling about Seth Brown 1B/OF LHB to be honest..older but cheap cheap and has pop.. maybe Rosario (young spec can start for them now 6 yrs control) for Seth?

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/brownse01.shtml

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 6:57 pm

Reports are that the NYY are preparing an offer for Rodon … clearly SF is in the mix … but looks as though Rodon may be resolved this week. Same goes for Correa with MINN making their biggest offer for a FA and a couple of teams making a push.

Good chance the house will be clean of major FA by Christmas with only Swanson and Eovaldi left after Rodon and Correa. Not getting that FA or two that stretch out the signings to near ST.

Once the big guys get signed we should see some life in the so far dead trade market with teams looking for better adds than the dregs left in FA who are trying to be overpriced.

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 7:11 pm

Options for upgrades are getting thin and likely a lot of completion from other teams for basically taking on risk with mediocre players.

If we separate a like from a real need and target that … we may not be looking for a SP but for a hitter (or two).

From a SP standpoint, NEED only one more … and Teheran, Morejon, Groome, Knehr, and Avila are contenders with various level of upside .. but upside nonetheless.

However when it comes to hitters … Padres have the eight starters and Campusano for 2nd catcher … but the remaining four (including a 9th starting hitter) out of Azocar, Dixon, Batten, Rosario, and Sullivan … I can’t see a regular out of that group or, except for Azocar, anyone I would want on the bench of a contender … but as of now three will make it after Tatis’ return.

So, a better risk to rely on the internal options for a 5th SP than that group to cover the last three offensive slots … and most importantly the 9th regular bat. More worried about covering injury on the offense than the pitching.

Money / trade chips need priority #1 and #2 to be offense.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 8:00 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 7:11 pm

So, a better risk to rely on the internal options for a 5th SP than that group to cover the last three offensive slots … and most importantly the 9th regular bat. More worried about covering injury on the offense than the pitching.

Money / trade chips need priority #1 and #2 to be offense.

Trade for Seth Brown, LHH 1B & COF, 9th hitter. Sign FA-Tucker Barnhart, LHH-C/1B (limited) and FA-Cesar Hernandez, SH-INF/OF for bench help. Campusano and Azocar are already here. Maybe the kid Vimael Machin can help.

Quote from JasonE135 on December 12, 2022, 9:32 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 7:11 pm

Options for upgrades are getting thin and likely a lot of completion from other teams for basically taking on risk with mediocre players.

If we separate a like from a real need and target that … we may not be looking for a SP but for a hitter (or two).

From a SP standpoint, NEED only one more … and Teheran, Morejon, Groome, Knehr, and Avila are contenders with various level of upside .. but upside nonetheless.

However when it comes to hitters … Padres have the eight starters and Campusano for 2nd catcher … but the remaining four (including a 9th starting hitter) out of Azocar, Dixon, Batten, Rosario, and Sullivan … I can’t see a regular out of that group or, except for Azocar, anyone I would want on the bench of a contender … but as of now three will make it after Tatis’ return.

So, a better risk to rely on the internal options for a 5th SP than that group to cover the last three offensive slots … and most importantly the 9th regular bat. More worried about covering injury on the offense than the pitching.

Money / trade chips need priority #1 and #2 to be offense.

This starting rotation looks more like the Padres 2021 rotation than the 2022 version. We all remember what happened then, right? The Jake Arrieta nightmare? That was only a year ago. One or 2 injuries and we could be in serious trouble. The Padres are still in major need of another starter. They need reliable, quality innings more than another bat.

Never mind. We just signed Anderson Espinoza. Problem solved.

Quote from Randy Manese on December 13, 2022, 1:07 am

Former Padres Kluber, Davies, Lyles, Ross and Richards still available!  Maybe we can get Reggie Lawson to unretire?  Only partially tongue in cheek with those SP possibilities but I'm sure Preller will figure something out before spring training.

While we worry about Machado possibly opting out after the season and having to trade Soto if we can't extend him, the situation is much more dire for our SP after 2023, if we don't extend Darvish and/or Snell.  Lesko, Lizarraga and Snelling won't be ready for at least 2-3 more years at the earliest so we need to bring in some younger SP's to take the place of aging Darvish and inconsistent and injury prone Snell.  If we can snag Ohtani or Urias as FA's in 2024, that would be a huge get but the gap between Musgrove and Martinez is huge without Darvish and Snell; we likely don't have the prospects to trade for Ohtani.  Almost have to make that trade with the Marlins (Lopez,  Cabrera or Luzardo) to bring some younger controllable lower cost pitching into the rotation even if it means giving up Merrill.  Still haven't given up on the Seth Lugo possibility as a SP as a bridge to our developing minor leaguers even though he hasn't been in that role for over 5 years and is already 33.  Got to remember that pitching is a mercurial thing - what looks great can suddenly go bad or vice versa.  Let's see what Preller uncovers.