Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 4:33 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 1, 2022, 8:02 pm

His BA and OBP are > as a SDP vs Wash for 2022..his slg is lower.. how much does that have to do with #2 spot ?? Vs Petco suppression and adapting to a new team?? I think with Tatis 1 Soto 2 and Manny 3 we will see Soto explode..P are pitching him with 1 out or more constantly .. with Profar failing to get on ahead of him..and although Kim usually gets on when leading off it appears he takes 1 or 2 ABs to adapt to a pitcher often getting that 1 for 3 night on his 3rd trip and not necessarily leading off the inning.. Soto also has a weird stat line with bases loaded ..only .240 career and 0 Grand Slams so maybe his best spot is table setting for Manny on this team at this moment ..With Tatis at 1 he should have more RBI situations and a lot better pitches to hit

Clearly PETCO is an issue with every hitter but have to think Soto is getting pitched to differently at #2 (or he is approaching the AB at #2 differently to take more BB).

Padres paid a fortune for one of the best impact hitters in MLB and that included huge OBP and huge SLG which was compiled on a poor hitting WASH team but as a middle of the order hitter. A month at 3 HR/6 RBI is almost impossibly low for his skill level. Not as though he has not had RBI opportunities and has not played on the road plus hitting ahead of Machado should get him better pitches to hit … but ending up in singles and walks with little punch. Yeh, he gets a nice OPS from his singles / walks … but don’t think that is what the Padres paid to get … they expected impact from HR/RBI.

Just don ‘t know why the Padres would take Soto who is comfortable and productive in the middle of the line-up … change his environment by trading for him and moving him to SD … put him in a more difficult hitting home at PETCO … and then layer in another change of taking him out of his middle of the line-up role and insert him in the #2 role that may be uncomfortable for him. Not as though the Padres middle of the order line-up was (is) all that productive that would justify not using Soto in the middle of the order.

2023 may be different but in the 2022 playoff push with less than 30 games and the Padres not being that strong offensively … how long to the Padres go with this “experiment” at #2 and living with this less than expected impact?

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 2, 2022, 7:19 am

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 4:33 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 1, 2022, 8:02 pm

His BA and OBP are > as a SDP vs Wash for 2022..his slg is lower.. how much does that have to do with #2 spot ?? Vs Petco suppression and adapting to a new team?? I think with Tatis 1 Soto 2 and Manny 3 we will see Soto explode..P are pitching him with 1 out or more constantly .. with Profar failing to get on ahead of him..and although Kim usually gets on when leading off it appears he takes 1 or 2 ABs to adapt to a pitcher often getting that 1 for 3 night on his 3rd trip and not necessarily leading off the inning.. Soto also has a weird stat line with bases loaded ..only .240 career and 0 Grand Slams so maybe his best spot is table setting for Manny on this team at this moment ..With Tatis at 1 he should have more RBI situations and a lot better pitches to hit

Clearly PETCO is an issue with every hitter but have to think Soto is getting pitched to differently at #2 (or he is approaching the AB at #2 differently to take more BB).

Padres paid a fortune for one of the best impact hitters in MLB and that included huge OBP and huge SLG which was compiled on a poor hitting WASH team but as a middle of the order hitter. A month at 3 HR/6 RBI is almost impossibly low for his skill level. Not as though he has not had RBI opportunities and has not played on the road plus hitting ahead of Machado should get him better pitches to hit … but ending up in singles and walks with little punch. Yeh, he gets a nice OPS from his singles / walks … but don’t think that is what the Padres paid to get … they expected impact from HR/RBI.

Just don ‘t know why the Padres would take Soto who is comfortable and productive in the middle of the line-up … change his environment by trading for him and moving him to SD … put him in a more difficult hitting home at PETCO … and then layer in another change of taking him out of his middle of the line-up role and insert him in the #2 role that may be uncomfortable for him. Not as though the Padres middle of the order line-up was (is) all that productive that would justify not using Soto in the middle of the order.

2023 may be different but in the 2022 playoff push with less than 30 games and the Padres not being that strong offensively … how long to the Padres go with this “experiment” at #2 and living with this less than expected impact?

 

Maybe had to do with Manny at 3 being very comfortable there..and not wanting to drop Soto all the way to #4... Basically "Don't mess" with Machado and let Soto set the table a bit.. Dont see how this changes in 23 either with Tatis either leading off or batting 4th (Kim leads off vs lhp)... Maybe in 23 we can get a better lead off type (Nimmo/Benintendi type).. and Go Nimmo/Tatis/Soto/Manny..  1 2 3 4

Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 2, 2022, 7:20 am

Bottomline it's working we scoring runs.. In BoMel I trust!..Go Padres!

Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 2, 2022, 8:15 am

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Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 1, 2022, 6:54 pm

Niko Goodrum got DFA'd by the Astros. As a lefty masher who can play all over the field he might be worth a look. He would probably bring more to the table than Rosario for the rest of the year.

Not all that confident that a guy released by MINN, then DET, now HOU has all that much going for him to gamble on in a playoff push. Add that he has been plagued by a series of injuries (different parts of the body) consistently for his career. Had a couple of good years in DET but not so compelling in the past few years.

If he clears waivers, Padres may try to sign him to a minor league deal as some sort of insurance and maybe a non-roster ST invitee.

To be clear I'm only saying to pick him up if he clears. His time with the Twins is hardly relevant he only got 18 PAs. His time with the Tigers shows me that he could be a valuable piece against lefties. He's a .303/.369/.447 hitter against them for his career. I wouldn't ever let him bat against a RHP. Rosario has only gotten 2 PAs since replacing Batten who also wasn't playing at all. Obviously we can't really afford to give them much playing time while we fight for a playoff spot. Why not replace them with someone who might at least be able to give us some quality ABs against lefties down the stretch?

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 8:31 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 2, 2022, 8:15 am

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 3:58 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 1, 2022, 6:54 pm

Niko Goodrum got DFA'd by the Astros. As a lefty masher who can play all over the field he might be worth a look. He would probably bring more to the table than Rosario for the rest of the year.

Not all that confident that a guy released by MINN, then DET, now HOU has all that much going for him to gamble on in a playoff push. Add that he has been plagued by a series of injuries (different parts of the body) consistently for his career. Had a couple of good years in DET but not so compelling in the past few years.

If he clears waivers, Padres may try to sign him to a minor league deal as some sort of insurance and maybe a non-roster ST invitee.

To be clear I'm only saying to pick him up if he clears. His time with the Twins is hardly relevant he only got 18 PAs. His time with the Tigers shows me that he could be a valuable piece against lefties. He's a .303/.369/.447 hitter against them for his career. I wouldn't ever let him bat against a RHP. Rosario has only gotten 2 PAs since replacing Batten who also wasn't playing at all. Obviously we can't really afford to give them much playing time while we fight for a playoff spot. Why not replace them with someone who might at least be able to give us some quality ABs against lefties down the stretch?

I guess if Rosario / Batten are not being used ... changing out to Goodrum and not using him is not much of a change ... while costing a 40 man roster slot that may be needed for Johnson - Pomeranz - Stammen (all pitching in rehab). We are assuming Goodrum is healthy ... always an iffy situation with him ... but he is a FA after the season so no commitment, that is to his advantage.

Goodrum is a switch hitter as I recall and clearly hits LHP and clearly is very bad against RHP. Wonder why the teams he has played for or Goodrum himself never just considered becoming a full time RHH ... doubt he could be worse vs RHP and maybe better.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 2, 2022, 9:01 am

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 8:31 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 2, 2022, 8:15 am

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 3:58 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 1, 2022, 6:54 pm

Niko Goodrum got DFA'd by the Astros. As a lefty masher who can play all over the field he might be worth a look. He would probably bring more to the table than Rosario for the rest of the year.

Not all that confident that a guy released by MINN, then DET, now HOU has all that much going for him to gamble on in a playoff push. Add that he has been plagued by a series of injuries (different parts of the body) consistently for his career. Had a couple of good years in DET but not so compelling in the past few years.

If he clears waivers, Padres may try to sign him to a minor league deal as some sort of insurance and maybe a non-roster ST invitee.

To be clear I'm only saying to pick him up if he clears. His time with the Twins is hardly relevant he only got 18 PAs. His time with the Tigers shows me that he could be a valuable piece against lefties. He's a .303/.369/.447 hitter against them for his career. I wouldn't ever let him bat against a RHP. Rosario has only gotten 2 PAs since replacing Batten who also wasn't playing at all. Obviously we can't really afford to give them much playing time while we fight for a playoff spot. Why not replace them with someone who might at least be able to give us some quality ABs against lefties down the stretch?

I guess if Rosario / Batten are not being used ... changing out to Goodrum and not using him is not much of a change ... while costing a 40 man roster slot that may be needed for Johnson - Pomeranz - Stammen (all pitching in rehab). We are assuming Goodrum is healthy ... always an iffy situation with him ... but he is a FA after the season so no commitment, that is to his advantage.

Goodrum is a switch hitter as I recall and clearly hits LHP and clearly is very bad against RHP. Wonder why the teams he has played for or Goodrum himself never just considered becoming a full time RHH ... doubt he could be worse vs RHP and maybe better.

Pomz ain't coming back in 2022... Johnson and Stammen are... I know Johnson takes Khner spot.. BUT does Stammen take the rookie Wilson's ? WILSON quietly on a 15 iP scoreless run...

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 10:50 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 2, 2022, 9:01 am

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 8:31 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 2, 2022, 8:15 am

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 3:58 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on September 1, 2022, 6:54 pm

Niko Goodrum got DFA'd by the Astros. As a lefty masher who can play all over the field he might be worth a look. He would probably bring more to the table than Rosario for the rest of the year.

Not all that confident that a guy released by MINN, then DET, now HOU has all that much going for him to gamble on in a playoff push. Add that he has been plagued by a series of injuries (different parts of the body) consistently for his career. Had a couple of good years in DET but not so compelling in the past few years.

If he clears waivers, Padres may try to sign him to a minor league deal as some sort of insurance and maybe a non-roster ST invitee.

To be clear I'm only saying to pick him up if he clears. His time with the Twins is hardly relevant he only got 18 PAs. His time with the Tigers shows me that he could be a valuable piece against lefties. He's a .303/.369/.447 hitter against them for his career. I wouldn't ever let him bat against a RHP. Rosario has only gotten 2 PAs since replacing Batten who also wasn't playing at all. Obviously we can't really afford to give them much playing time while we fight for a playoff spot. Why not replace them with someone who might at least be able to give us some quality ABs against lefties down the stretch?

I guess if Rosario / Batten are not being used ... changing out to Goodrum and not using him is not much of a change ... while costing a 40 man roster slot that may be needed for Johnson - Pomeranz - Stammen (all pitching in rehab). We are assuming Goodrum is healthy ... always an iffy situation with him ... but he is a FA after the season so no commitment, that is to his advantage.

Goodrum is a switch hitter as I recall and clearly hits LHP and clearly is very bad against RHP. Wonder why the teams he has played for or Goodrum himself never just considered becoming a full time RHH ... doubt he could be worse vs RHP and maybe better.

Pomz ain't coming back in 2022... Johnson and Stammen are... I know Johnson takes Khner spot.. BUT does Stammen take the rookie Wilson's ? WILSON quietly on a 15 iP scoreless run...

Not only who do Johnson and Stammen replace (assuming they both make it off the IL) but since they are on the 60 day IL and there is only one open 40 man roster slot ... who gets bumped from the 40 man. Then consider when the Padres get to the playoffs the pitching drops down to 13 requiring another pitcher to be inactive.

1. Agree Johnson bumps Knehr and takes the open 40 man slot.
2. Sort of a open question on Stammen's return ... but likely will be ready in SEPT .... do they just let him complete his rehab and sit him on the taxi squad in case of injury? Not sure of the timing but think the minor league season ends before his 30 day rehab is over ... so can they just leave him on the 60 day until they need him?

Note that both Stammen and Johnson are FA after the season so conceivably one could get DFA if there is no space on the roster without it being a major loss for the future. Neither can be optioned to the minors so it is 26 man or remain on 60 day IL or released.

I am having some difficulty figuring out who after Knehr would get optioned (or released) from the active roster (all are currently effective) ... can always find someone off the 40 man. Then again in the next few weeks we may have another IL candidate.

 

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 11:10 am

Also, a bit of a surprise to me, but Alfaro began his rehab (as a DH) in EP yesterday ... may take some time before his knee allows him to catch ... but clearly the Padres want him ready to return when needed by keeping his bat sharp.

First reaction would be to think Campusano would be optioned ... and that is likely. However, if it is getting late is SEP ... and Campusano is holding his own ... might they option Rosario who is not being used (Drury gives some INF protection if needed and if an IL type injury Rosario can come right back)? Alfaro's bat might be better as a DH/PH option and maybe with 3 catchers down the stretch greater flexibility (and rest) for Nola as they head for the playoffs.

So if Alfaro's bat is > than Rosario's but his knee still limits his use as a catcher ... might see the three catcher option.

Quote from fenn68 on September 2, 2022, 2:49 pm

Looking at the season stats for the Padres Home v Away by player and only their Padre stats some interesting splits (and some smaller sample sizes for the new adds) ... not sure what the Padres can do about the differences now but maybe some line-up set-ups may be in order ... HOME/AWAY

..H../..A..

899/917 ... Machado

537/859 ... Alfaro

445/839 ... Myers

641/802 ... Cronenworth

636/778 ... Kim

1.016/721 ... Soto

766/696 ... Profar

668/662 ... Grisham

647/615 ... Drury

700/594 ... Nola

844/463 .. Bell

No surprise that Machado hits both at home and on the road. A little surprised by the magnitude of the difference for Cronenworth, Kim, Myers, and Alfaro ... all really struggling at PETCO while excelling AWAY..

A big surprise to me (and yes small sample size) is the fact that Soto and Bell are hitting extremely well at PETCO but less so AWAY and Bell really struggling AWAY ... sort of counter intuitive. However, that could be good news going forward ... not having an issue at PETCO and they do have a good track record in their careers in road games (should see those AWAY stats improve). Plus for the new guys given the sample size ... a lot of the results could be a product of the opposing pitchers skewing good or bad as opposed to a season blend.