Quote from BoosterSD on August 23, 2021, 10:55 am

Not sad to see this happen was really never that impressed with the hiring in the first place.

Really hope that they work something out with Balsley for a return for next season to ML coaching staff.

Quote from fenn68 on August 23, 2021, 11:42 am

Interesting to see if Balsley is interested in returning to spot.  Always tough to go back and meet those expectations.

Wonder if Preller is calling Rizzo (WASH) to see if their pitching coach Jim Hickey is available? Other than he has been successful as a pitching coach in various organizations and worked front office for the LAD, why might consider Hickey … in 2015 he was the pitching coach in TB … in 2015 Blake Snell won the CY Young for TB (an has regressed since Hickey departed.

Snell was a major addition to the Padres and is a key to future success … and he appears to be a guy who has to be “comfortable” with his environment / routine. Hickey may be that linkage. Note that after Machado’s first season where he struggled for the Padres they added his BALT network of Kirby and Dickerson to up his game … sort of worked.

 

Quote from WindsorUK on August 23, 2021, 11:53 am

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Quote from TarheelPadre on August 23, 2021, 10:52 am

Looks like the first domino fell today as Dumb was fired.  I look for Dumber to be gone soon.

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/larry-rothschild-dismissed-by-padres

The bats being so quiet for a month is another problem ... that I don't think is related to Tingler ... I'm still OK with Tingler ...

He's turned into Andy Green, part 2, with the way he shuffles every player up and down, in and out, of the lineup.

As Fenn mentioned above, guys need their comfort zone.

Quote from BoosterSD on August 23, 2021, 11:58 am

I think the reason that many (I) probably want a return of Balsley, is he always seemed to be able to take the lemons that SD pulled off the scrap heap and rebound them into something special. And it seemed that up and coming kids seemed to do well under him as well.

IIRC Tyson Ross was not much prior to connecting with Balsley, same for Yates, Pomeranz, and Hand just to name a few. So if he could do that with those guys, what can he do with pitchers that have actual had ML success?

Plus, it seemed that whatever his throwing program was, pitchers seemed healthier under Balsley.

Just muddy observations of the past maybe??

 

Quote from BoosterSD on August 23, 2021, 12:02 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on August 23, 2021, 11:53 am

Quote from LynchMob on August 23, 2021, 10:53 am

Quote from TarheelPadre on August 23, 2021, 10:52 am

Looks like the first domino fell today as Dumb was fired.  I look for Dumber to be gone soon.

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/larry-rothschild-dismissed-by-padres

The bats being so quiet for a month is another problem ... that I don't think is related to Tingler ... I'm still OK with Tingler ...

He's turned into Andy Green, part 2, with the way he shuffles every player up and down, in and out, of the lineup.

As Fenn mentioned above, guys need their comfort zone.

I couldnt agree more, guys seem to get into a rhythm and "boom" he moves them to a different spot in the line up.

Look at Frazier, was a .310 hitter when he arrived in SD. Since arriving in SD, he is hitting .241 over the last 28 days. In Pitt, 90% of his ABs was in the leadoff spot. Since in SD, he has bounced up and down the line up, and his production has suffered.

Quote from fenn68 on August 23, 2021, 12:05 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on August 23, 2021, 11:53 am

Quote from LynchMob on August 23, 2021, 10:53 am

Quote from TarheelPadre on August 23, 2021, 10:52 am

Looks like the first domino fell today as Dumb was fired.  I look for Dumber to be gone soon.

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/larry-rothschild-dismissed-by-padres

The bats being so quiet for a month is another problem ... that I don't think is related to Tingler ... I'm still OK with Tingler ...

He's turned into Andy Green, part 2, with the way he shuffles every player up and down, in and out, of the lineup.

As Fenn mentioned above, guys need their comfort zone.

No answer for this but I do wonder how much of this shuffling (and I don’t like it) is Tingler driven or is a lot of this line-up movement coming down from Preller and/or the front office analytics department? Clearly in other organizations that is the case (billed as a collaborative effort between the manager and the front office).

The fact that Green did it and now his replacement is doing it … makes me shift my focus to the front office.

I am enough old school to value maximizing performance over the long haul for players being comfortable in their consistent roles … analytics have their place but can be over use to achieve very marginal short term theoretical advantage. Is there an offsetting longer term dis-advatage?

Quote from fenn68 on August 23, 2021, 1:01 pm

Another name that came to mind is former Padre Doug Brocail who was the pitching coach in Texas while Tingler was there (think post-Preller). No idea if they had a good/bad/or indifferent relationship but at least linkage.

Brocail is only 54. Pitching coach for couple of teams but not real sense of good or bad. He was let go by BALT after 2020 … not sure if he is employed anywhere.

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 23, 2021, 1:47 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on August 23, 2021, 12:02 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on August 23, 2021, 11:53 am

Quote from LynchMob on August 23, 2021, 10:53 am

Quote from TarheelPadre on August 23, 2021, 10:52 am

Looks like the first domino fell today as Dumb was fired.  I look for Dumber to be gone soon.

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/larry-rothschild-dismissed-by-padres

The bats being so quiet for a month is another problem ... that I don't think is related to Tingler ... I'm still OK with Tingler ...

He's turned into Andy Green, part 2, with the way he shuffles every player up and down, in and out, of the lineup.

As Fenn mentioned above, guys need their comfort zone.

I couldnt agree more, guys seem to get into a rhythm and "boom" he moves them to a different spot in the line up.

Look at Frazier, was a .310 hitter when he arrived in SD. Since arriving in SD, he is hitting .241 over the last 28 days. In Pitt, 90% of his ABs was in the leadoff spot. Since in SD, he has bounced up and down the line up, and his production has suffered.

I may be wrong but I don't think Frazier was moved down in the line up until "after" he had been slumping badly.

I don't like moving guys around either....but you can't have a guy slumping horribly hitting leadoff everyday.

Move him down...get him back in a groove and then move him back.

Then again I want Tatis hitting 3rd every game so there's a better chance there's someone on base when he's up but Tingler has him #1 or #2 to maximize AB's.

How many additional AB's would he get hitting 2nd instead of 3rd in a full season......12?......15?

I gotta believe he would have that many additional "RBI's" if not more, if he hit 3rd.....don't you think?

Isn't scoring runs what it's all about?

 

 

 

 

Quote from WindsorUK on August 23, 2021, 1:50 pm

Quote from fenn68 on August 23, 2021, 12:05 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on August 23, 2021, 11:53 am

Quote from LynchMob on August 23, 2021, 10:53 am

Quote from TarheelPadre on August 23, 2021, 10:52 am

Looks like the first domino fell today as Dumb was fired.  I look for Dumber to be gone soon.

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/larry-rothschild-dismissed-by-padres

The bats being so quiet for a month is another problem ... that I don't think is related to Tingler ... I'm still OK with Tingler ...

He's turned into Andy Green, part 2, with the way he shuffles every player up and down, in and out, of the lineup.

As Fenn mentioned above, guys need their comfort zone.

No answer for this but I do wonder how much of this shuffling (and I don’t like it) is Tingler driven or is a lot of this line-up movement coming down from Preller and/or the front office analytics department? Clearly in other organizations that is the case (billed as a collaborative effort between the manager and the front office).

The fact that Green did it and now his replacement is doing it … makes me shift my focus to the front office.

I am enough old school to value maximizing performance over the long haul for players being comfortable in their consistent roles … analytics have their place but can be over use to achieve very marginal short term theoretical advantage. Is there an offsetting longer term dis-advatage?

I wonder if it'd be worth Preller/ Tingler( and whoever make up the rest of the brain trust) talking to the position players and asking them where they see themselves in the order? Is that something that even gets done?