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#331 · April 21, 2021, 8:00 am
I have to admit being confused on how to best use Paddack while the team needs the most productive SP if they plan to contend.
IF the Padres were the “old Padres” ... clearly go with Paddack in the rotation and work him through his issues at the ML level. At the core he has the base skills to be effective. He has very good innings but can’t seem to close the deal over the course of a full outing ... end result is not great. Yeh, only 1 ER yesterday but he did “fall apart” after the error and gave up a succession of hits.
BUT the Padres are built to be contenders .... so how long can they go with developing Paddack at the ML level when Weathers is making the case that he can be more productive in a starting role now?
Still see Paddack as a SP this season (no history as a RP and not eager to have him find out if he can be a RP at the ML level on a contender). Also, not eager to see Gore added over Weathers / Paddack without seeing him in some minor league starts in 2021. Considering BOTH earned roster slots over him last year and this spring ... I will go with production over potential.
Agree that Ramirez may go down ... but given the coming off days ... optioning Paddack to continue to work in a starting / development role seems to make more sense unless they are worried about how that may impact Paddack’s mentality and send him in the wrong direction.
Frustrating that he may be too good to be sent down but not good enough to be a SP on a contender while having not track record as a RP. Has to be a very difficult call by the Padres’ front office.
#332 · April 21, 2021, 9:05 am
I think the issue with Paddack is that as the 5th starter you could live with his stats even on a contender. However, the offense needs to be able to "compensate" for his one inning stumbles, and so far this season the offense has not done that. If our offense was firing on all cylinders, then last nights game is completely different.
Of course, Paddack (at this time) would not even see a post season roster this season.
Really, if you look at his first innings, I really think I see closer.
#333 · April 21, 2021, 9:25 am
Quote from BoosterSD on April 21, 2021, 9:05 amI think the issue with Paddack is that as the 5th starter you could live with his stats even on a contender. However, the offense needs to be able to "compensate" for his one inning stumbles, and so far this season the offense has not done that. If our offense was firing on all cylinders, then last nights game is completely different.
Of course, Paddack (at this time) would not even see a post season roster this season.
Really, if you look at his first innings, I really think I see closer.
I guess the question is not if Paddack can be a serviceable 5th starter (probably yes) .... but can Weathers be a better 5th starter? If that is answered yes ... would want the better option in the rotation and maybe win a couple more games over the course of a season and that may be the difference between playoffs or a long winter.
Paddack in the pen could be looked at in the same vein if Weathers gets the 5th slot. Put "closer" aside for now, probably not hard to project Paddack a better pen option than Ramirez, Crismatt, Altavilla (if he returns), Williams (if he returns). Plus he could continue with the ML coaching and be available as the spot starter.
So IF Weathers is better than Paddack as a SP and Paddack is better than Ramirez as a RP option ... making those moves improves both the SP and RP ... and that is good for the team.
A lot of IF conditions ... hard to project and get right!
#334 · April 21, 2021, 11:33 am
Since end of last season, Pads have lost SP's: Clevinger (prompting trading for a new top 3 SP), Morejon (#5), Baez (#"8"), & Nix (#"9"). Yes, "hold your breath" Lamet returns today, but he's only "missed" 4 starts, but was really pitching in games at Alt site building up. So they really only have 7 SP's, and 2 of those are Weathers & Gore who have hit 90-100 IP max in career so far. It's then what LOOKS like a very wide gulf to the likes of: Pedro Avila, Reiss Knehr, & Daniel Camarena. Even with the return of Lamet, there's not much alternative at this point to Chris staying in the rotation as the #5.
Paddack is a perfectly fine, maybe relatively "good", #4/#5 MLB SP. He's got a limited arsenal, he's not going to go deep in many games b/c of it, he's not good enough to overcome a lot of unearned runs (7 in 4 games) i.e. outs being given away, and it's not realistic to expect him to win matchups like last night where he's going against a team's #1 who so far is a Cy Young frontrunner. He allowed 1 run, we scored 0.
#335 · April 21, 2021, 1:35 pm
If Paddack,as the #5,was going up against another teams #5 every time we may be fine.But like last night if he’s going against a guy like Burnes we have little chance.
TBH this may be why Jayce sat Tatis and Manny at the same time.
He would never admit this but he figured we weren’t winning that matchup even with them...May as well get them a day off.
I’d like to see Lamet/Weathers piggy back.Neither are going 100 pitches in a start this year so by not piggy backing them we are assuring the need to use 3 or more relievers in each of their outings.
Wouldn’t it be better to get 3-4 innings each out of them and not tax the Pen in their starts?
With Lamet going today and Weathers going tomorrow....I’m afraid we may have a tired BP for the final couple games against the Dodgers....which is not a good thing.
#336 · April 21, 2021, 1:40 pm
Quote from Brian Connelly on April 21, 2021, 11:33 amSince end of last season, Pads have lost SP's: Clevinger (prompting trading for a new top 3 SP), Morejon (#5), Baez (#"8"), & Nix (#"9"). Yes, "hold your breath" Lamet returns today, but he's only "missed" 4 starts, but was really pitching in games at Alt site building up. So they really only have 7 SP's, and 2 of those are Weathers & Gore who have hit 90-100 IP max in career so far. It's then what LOOKS like a very wide gulf to the likes of: Pedro Avila, Reiss Knehr, & Daniel Camarena. Even with the return of Lamet, there's not much alternative at this point to Chris staying in the rotation as the #5.
Paddack is a perfectly fine, maybe relatively "good", #4/#5 MLB SP. He's got a limited arsenal, he's not going to go deep in many games b/c of it, he's not good enough to overcome a lot of unearned runs (7 in 4 games) i.e. outs being given away, and it's not realistic to expect him to win matchups like last night where he's going against a team's #1 who so far is a Cy Young frontrunner. He allowed 1 run, we scored 0.
To be fair he allowed one “earned” run.Yes we need to be better defensively and a lower quality pitcher will have more trouble making up for errors but Paddack had several chances to get out of that inning with little damage and failed to do it.He needs to learn how to put guys away and quit wasting pitches.
#337 · April 21, 2021, 1:42 pm
Oh no!
Stammen warming up in the 2nd inning?
No way this is just precautionary(but I will say a little prayer that it is)why would they have him throw 70 pitches at the alt. site and then pull him after 29 today?
Ugh!
#338 · April 21, 2021, 1:43 pm
I'm with you Mr P. Bad sign, Stammer warming in 2nd inning. No sign of trouble but Don and Mud are very concerned and so am . Lamet has looked fantastic so far. 4 KS in 2 innings . Will we ever get a break?
#339 · April 21, 2021, 1:56 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on April 21, 2021, 1:35 pmIf Paddack,as the #5,was going up against another teams #5 every time we may be fine.But like last night if he’s going against a guy like Burnes we have little chance.
TBH this may be why Jayce sat Tatis and Manny at the same time.
He would never admit this but he figured we weren’t winning that matchup even with them...May as well get them a day off.
I’d like to see Lamet/Weathers piggy back.Neither are going 100 pitches in a start this year so by not piggy backing them we are assuring the need to use 3 or more relievers in each of their outings.
Wouldn’t it be better to get 3-4 innings each out of them and not tax the Pen in their starts?
With Lamet going today and Weathers going tomorrow....I’m afraid we may have a tired BP for the final couple games against the Dodgers....which is not a good thing.
Well on Apr 16th v LAD Weathers threw 79 pitches ... effectively .... so probably not an issue with him doing 90-100 pitches in a game soon.
Lamet who knows ... but if the elbow is healthy ... and considering he did a full workload in 2020 ... should be able to build up to 90-100 pitches in May.
#340 · April 21, 2021, 2:00 pm
Until I know differently (all hope here) ... maybe they pulled Lamet “early” so he can go vs. the LAD on Sunday? Consider today as a his “bullpen” day between starts? Just enough work to show he is healthy and sharp and target him for the big guys ... LAD?