Quote from JasonE135 on September 26, 2019, 8:26 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2019, 7:32 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on September 25, 2019, 5:12 pm

I agree with you Mr. Tatis. I can see a single medium value left-handed add to the OF but I do not see more than that. Like you said the offense will get better with a year of experience, just like the pitching. Mr. Silvestre: Would you make that trade if you were the Indians GM? The Indians have fans too. I doubt they would like that trade. That would be like us trading Gwynn.

J135, the only problem with your anology is that Lindor has already told the Indians that he is not signing an extension and wants BIG dollars in FA. In SD we always knew that #19 was a Padre for life. So, while I do believe that CLE will trade Lindor sometime between this winter off season and next season trade deadline, I dont think they are trading for the above listed package.

It would have to start with Patino, Arias (SS), Luchessi (?), and 2 more better than average MiL.

I was actually just saying that the Indians will not make that trade. I am saying that no only is Lindor one of the best players in the game, he is also a franchise icon. You cannot trade those for less than pure gold. I would never want to trade for him this year. He is a one year rental who will be priced like a premium long-term asset. It is just a waste unless management believes that they will be winning a World Series in 2020 if they get him. (They still wouldn't win it) Even then I don't think he would be worth what he would cost.

Quote from JasonE135 on September 26, 2019, 8:37 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2019, 8:11 pm

Quote from TatisJr on September 26, 2019, 7:56 pm

Booster, how can you say a 22 year old who has only been playing in the OF for 2 years can’t improve? Naylor’s defense has been atrocious for sure, but I wouldn’t say he can’t improve. Some of his mistakes like hitting the cut off man are easily correctable.  I’ve also seen him take bad routes to balls and that is correctable with coaching and more reps in the OF. I don’t think the Padres insist on him being and OF’er, but with Hosmer locked in a first there is nowhere else to put him. This team is in desperate need of LHH and Naylor can help. For a 22 year old in the bigs I’ve been impressed with the maturity of his hitting approach and the guy is strong as an ox. Give him an off-season to work on his body, get some reps and coaching in the OF. I think we will see improvement. Like Jason said, if he can fill a Kyle Scwarber role for this team, I think we would all take that.

Like I said in the post above, I dont want Schwarber in the Petco outfield either. The outfields in the NL West are simply too big for fat, slow, BAD outfielders. And that describes both Schwarber and Naylor. I was a proponent of trying Naylor in the OF to get his bat a way to SD, but have seen enough from Naylor that I know he is not a good OFer and never will be, especially to the level we need in the parks of the NL West. I simply do not buy into the eyewash of AG when I heard him on XM or the TV announcers of the SD when they say he can be a good OFer. They are paid to say good things about the players. He is a DH, and the power needs to be shown in games for him to become a good DH. Yes the signing of Hosmer was death to the career path of Naylor in SD. I liked the signing of Hosmer, but it made me confused with Myers already at 1B, and Naylor only able to play 1B and no DH in the NL.

I wasn't saying that I want him as a permanent outfielder. What I want is for him to get a chance to get his bat going. I just said Kyle Scwarber because they have very similar profiles and body types. Maybe a better comparison would be Franmil Reyes, but left-handed and possibly giving you a better AVG and OBP. He was terrible in the field too, but he got us Trammell. Maybe Naylor could get us something similar.

Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2019, 8:48 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on September 26, 2019, 8:37 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2019, 8:11 pm

Quote from TatisJr on September 26, 2019, 7:56 pm

Booster, how can you say a 22 year old who has only been playing in the OF for 2 years can’t improve? Naylor’s defense has been atrocious for sure, but I wouldn’t say he can’t improve. Some of his mistakes like hitting the cut off man are easily correctable.  I’ve also seen him take bad routes to balls and that is correctable with coaching and more reps in the OF. I don’t think the Padres insist on him being and OF’er, but with Hosmer locked in a first there is nowhere else to put him. This team is in desperate need of LHH and Naylor can help. For a 22 year old in the bigs I’ve been impressed with the maturity of his hitting approach and the guy is strong as an ox. Give him an off-season to work on his body, get some reps and coaching in the OF. I think we will see improvement. Like Jason said, if he can fill a Kyle Scwarber role for this team, I think we would all take that.

Like I said in the post above, I dont want Schwarber in the Petco outfield either. The outfields in the NL West are simply too big for fat, slow, BAD outfielders. And that describes both Schwarber and Naylor. I was a proponent of trying Naylor in the OF to get his bat a way to SD, but have seen enough from Naylor that I know he is not a good OFer and never will be, especially to the level we need in the parks of the NL West. I simply do not buy into the eyewash of AG when I heard him on XM or the TV announcers of the SD when they say he can be a good OFer. They are paid to say good things about the players. He is a DH, and the power needs to be shown in games for him to become a good DH. Yes the signing of Hosmer was death to the career path of Naylor in SD. I liked the signing of Hosmer, but it made me confused with Myers already at 1B, and Naylor only able to play 1B and no DH in the NL.

I wasn't saying that I want him as a permanent outfielder. What I want is for him to get a chance to get his bat going. I just said Kyle Scwarber because they have very similar profiles and body types. Maybe a better comparison would be Franmil Reyes, but left-handed and possibly giving you a better AVG and OBP. He was terrible in the field too, but he got us Trammell. Maybe Naylor could get us something similar.

My biggest concern with Naylor is two fold. One, I think SD brought him up/kept him up too soon. IMO his bat has more to prove in AAA. Two, I have concerns over trading bats like Reyes/Naylor when I know the DH is coming to the NL, just not when. Both are more promising as DHs than OFers, but if you can get a promisng two way player, then trade the straight DH type.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 27, 2019, 6:23 am

Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2019, 8:48 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on September 26, 2019, 8:37 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2019, 8:11 pm

Quote from TatisJr on September 26, 2019, 7:56 pm

Booster, how can you say a 22 year old who has only been playing in the OF for 2 years can’t improve? Naylor’s defense has been atrocious for sure, but I wouldn’t say he can’t improve. Some of his mistakes like hitting the cut off man are easily correctable.  I’ve also seen him take bad routes to balls and that is correctable with coaching and more reps in the OF. I don’t think the Padres insist on him being and OF’er, but with Hosmer locked in a first there is nowhere else to put him. This team is in desperate need of LHH and Naylor can help. For a 22 year old in the bigs I’ve been impressed with the maturity of his hitting approach and the guy is strong as an ox. Give him an off-season to work on his body, get some reps and coaching in the OF. I think we will see improvement. Like Jason said, if he can fill a Kyle Scwarber role for this team, I think we would all take that.

Like I said in the post above, I dont want Schwarber in the Petco outfield either. The outfields in the NL West are simply too big for fat, slow, BAD outfielders. And that describes both Schwarber and Naylor. I was a proponent of trying Naylor in the OF to get his bat a way to SD, but have seen enough from Naylor that I know he is not a good OFer and never will be, especially to the level we need in the parks of the NL West. I simply do not buy into the eyewash of AG when I heard him on XM or the TV announcers of the SD when they say he can be a good OFer. They are paid to say good things about the players. He is a DH, and the power needs to be shown in games for him to become a good DH. Yes the signing of Hosmer was death to the career path of Naylor in SD. I liked the signing of Hosmer, but it made me confused with Myers already at 1B, and Naylor only able to play 1B and no DH in the NL.

I wasn't saying that I want him as a permanent outfielder. What I want is for him to get a chance to get his bat going. I just said Kyle Scwarber because they have very similar profiles and body types. Maybe a better comparison would be Franmil Reyes, but left-handed and possibly giving you a better AVG and OBP. He was terrible in the field too, but he got us Trammell. Maybe Naylor could get us something similar.

My biggest concern with Naylor is two fold. One, I think SD brought him up/kept him up too soon. IMO his bat has more to prove in AAA. Two, I have concerns over trading bats like Reyes/Naylor when I know the DH is coming to the NL, just not when. Both are more promising as DHs than OFers, but if you can get a promisng two way player, then trade the straight DH type.

Too soon?.. .268/.341/.456... .797 OPS... Dude is one of our best hitters if not the best since AS break

Quote from fenn68 on September 27, 2019, 6:27 am

Considering how bad the Padres are offensively ... and until better options emerge .... Naylor is getting playing time. At 22, he will get that as much for his current offensive production as his remaining potential.

He will never be a good defensive OF ... but looking at corner OF ... not all that many good defensive OF so it is a position that maybe the bat carries.

Is Naylor developing offensively ... better than he is getting credit for. 2nd half of 2019 (170 PA) ran a slash line 270/341/461 ... that is already good. Even rolling in his bad defense he generated a 0.4 WAR for the 1/2 season. (Myers was 0.3 and Renfroe -0.4)

Better chance a 22 year old Naylor actually improves his offense as he gets ML playing time than either Myers at 29 or Renfroe at 28.  None are exciting me as the future ... but now Naylor overall is a legit OF choice.

At the same time, if a trade opportunity emerged that required Naylor in the deal to get that high upside piece (like the Trammell deal) ... not a problem letting him go.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on September 27, 2019, 11:51 am

I agree.

However best case is he continues to hit next season and raises his trade value and we make a deal "centered" around him to an AL team.

Much like Franmil this season.

But now that the pressure to win "now" will intensify going into next season....and the assumption that AJ will be looking to make changes in the major league outfield....will there be a spot for him to continue to grow in LF in San Diego to start next season?

 

Quote from JasonE135 on September 27, 2019, 12:40 pm

That is exactly why I compared him to Franmil. He needs to play to prove the true value of his bat. Then he can be traded. I am sure he will be starting quite often against right-handers next season just like this season.

Quote from fenn68 on September 27, 2019, 1:29 pm

I guess in the "do nothing" scenario we see a 2020 OF:

LF: Myers / Naylor (L), some games

CF: Margot / Jankowski (L)

RF: Renfroe / Naylor (L), some games

Cordero and Trammell start the season in the minors and, if he survives Martini is in AAA.

Outside chance Martini beats out Jankowski based on a better offensive approach at the plate (basically for PH reasons) plus is cheaper with minor league options, and Myers becomes the back-up CF.

Doubt the "do nothing" scenario is the one that evolves but that has to be considered the benchmark for improvement. IF they do start the season that way .... high probability we see Cordero and/or Trammell by August ... maybe even Olivares.

Since I doubt any combo of those comprise a playoff worthy OF in 2020 (maybe in 2021+), likely Preller sees it the same way and that should pressure him to make an OF move ... maybe big (but not a lot of options) or maybe a couple of incremental (probable). Guessing all the current crop (except Trammell) are in play ... not that they by themselves will generate much of a return.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on September 27, 2019, 1:56 pm

Quote from fenn68 on September 27, 2019, 1:29 pm

I guess in the "do nothing" scenario we see a 2020 OF:

LF: Myers / Naylor (L), some games

CF: Margot / Jankowski (L)

RF: Renfroe / Naylor (L), some games

Cordero and Trammell start the season in the minors and, if he survives Martini is in AAA.

Outside chance Martini beats out Jankowski based on a better offensive approach at the plate (basically for PH reasons) plus is cheaper with minor league options, and Myers becomes the back-up CF.

Doubt the "do nothing" scenario is the one that evolves but that has to be considered the benchmark for improvement. IF they do start the season that way .... high probability we see Cordero and/or Trammell by August ... maybe even Olivares.

Since I doubt any combo of those comprise a playoff worthy OF in 2020 (maybe in 2021+), likely Preller sees it the same way and that should pressure him to make an OF move ... maybe big (but not a lot of options) or maybe a couple of incremental (probable). Guessing all the current crop (except Trammell) are in play ... not that they by themselves will generate much of a return.

 

That is exactly how the Padres have gotten so much of their talent in past years. If we are "trying to compete" we will have to sign somebody to make sure we improve the OF production. If we do that, we will certainly lose 1 or 2 guys who could turn out to eventually be very good. I am thinking Naylor. We used to be the team picking guys like that up. Now we are the team who will be losing them. That as much as anything should show how this team has gone from non-competitive to competitor.