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#131 · September 22, 2019, 6:23 pm
The math of the game makes keeping Urias the best choice by far. London would obviously cost a kings ransom and only be here for 2 years. Any upgrade would only be here for a year or two and cost us far more than they would be worth in the end. I hope AJ is strong enough to hold on to his players and build something great. I seriously doubt his job is on the line. He has taken a garbage team and built something potentially great. Let's not forget this is still San Diego, not the Yankees. Our big moves were Hosmer and Machado. We aren't going to be making any more huge signings. Ownership has done enough. Now we just need to wait. Trading future prospects for success next year is what the Mets did. How are they set for now and the future. Please have patience.
#132 · September 22, 2019, 6:59 pm
We’ve been “potentially “ great for too long.
Winning now is the only thing that will save AJ’s job.
#133 · September 22, 2019, 7:36 pm
He is not on the hot seat. Far from it. He is going nowhere. It makes no sense to sell out for 2020. Fans are fickle. 1 good year gets fans back for 1 year. Keeping the kids and building a perennial contender gives owners many years of full stadiums and excitement. 2020 is just another year to them.
#134 · September 23, 2019, 9:24 am
Quote from JasonE135 on September 22, 2019, 7:36 pmHe is not on the hot seat. Far from it. He is going nowhere. It makes no sense to sell out for 2020. Fans are fickle. 1 good year gets fans back for 1 year. Keeping the kids and building a perennial contender gives owners many years of full stadiums and excitement. 2020 is just another year to them.
Agree you don't trade Gore, CJ Abrams, etc to get "name" vets....
But where you're wrong is: Pads are spending 70 MM/yr on 3 position players each of next 3 years. Those guys are in their "prime"; Hosmer & Myers likely at tail end of theirs. They can't just endlessly "wait & develop". If they were going to go that route, they shouldn't have signed Machado.
Different than in the past where basically no $ was being spent. Even the Myers extension cost almost nothing in the early years when they were young, hole-filled roster.
Preller's 1st year "mis-steps" can be forgiven to an extent because Mike Dee & Owners were definitely involved in that 1st year bringing "name" guys in... and he's been very smart about building a Farm. But he has not proven he can transform that Farm into a winning MLB roster. IMO, that does have to happen next year (winning record) barring massive injuries, etc or he will be replaced.
#135 · September 23, 2019, 9:35 am
Quote from David Nevin on September 22, 2019, 6:59 pmWe’ve been “potentially “ great for too long.
Winning now is the only thing that will save AJ’s job.
I think this was taken differently than I meant.
I didn't mean we had to win "now" to save his job I meant that winning will "now" be the only thing that will save his job.
His job has been secure based on building up the Farm system....but now its built.
That "now" has to translate to wins at the major league level or his seat will start getting warm and next year is the beginning of that time.
#136 · September 23, 2019, 9:55 am
I guess we are being still a being premature on believing the full benefits of the improved farm system should be here and now. Padres focused on young prospects and they are arguable arriving sooner that most would have expected in the past. 2019 had the arrival of a number of the sub-23 crop ... and even then there is ML development time. Gore, Patino realistically will be here young but in a year. They still are the foundation of a successful team for the next 6-8 years ... so (at least the blue chip prospects) need to be preserved and allowed to arrive when ready.
Don't really care that the "5 year plan" is not delivering as believed ... more of a failure of some of the veteran commitments: Myers, Renfroe, Hedges, Kinsler, et. al. that were expected to "develop" and did not ... that is an issue in and of itself. Their projected development probably created some justification to spend big on Hosmer and Machado to fill out the line-up with perceived stars.
Padres have to play the hand as dealt and that may be reset by discarding the under performers and picking up some new cards while keeping the same basic vision of the longer term vision of building with blue chip prospects developing. Still there are enough pieces close enough that it may only take a few pieces to come through to get them to the next level ... yes, even in 2020 without forgoing the bigger vision. Then again it maybe be in 2021 ... so be it.
Padres apparently really did think the parts would come together for 2020 or they would not have signed Kinsler and Richards last year on 2 year deals.
#137 · September 23, 2019, 10:35 am
I’m as big an AJP guy as you can find. I think he’s going to be the guy who brings a title to San Diego and feel lucky as hell we got him as our GM. Even though I think so highly of him, this is a results business and you only get so much time to prove how good you are. The 2020 Padres need to win and be competitive. If not AJP’s seat will be getting warm. Ownership isn’t dishing out money to see a losing product. I don’t think he needs to sell off top prospects to win now, but there needs to be some urgency and winning at the ML level. I know many of us aren’t used this, but the Padres have STAR players now. Machado, Tatis and I think Paddack in 2020 will be considered a star. When you have star power expectations change.
#138 · September 23, 2019, 11:49 am
Everyone wants to win. Every bad team is desperate to win. The Cubs went How Long without winning a World Series? Putting pressure on AJ to get it done RIGHT NOW does not help. He has done a rebuild. He has added a ton of talent. Let him finish what he has started. I want a World Series win not a playoff appearance. To do that we cannot trade the future for the present. I agree with fenn68. We need to stay the course.
#139 · September 23, 2019, 12:47 pm
I must have missed where anyone said to sell off top prospects to win now.....or not to "stay the course".
It's just that "the course" is closer to the finish line than the start.
Also,we don't have to win the World Series in the next two years for AJ to keep his job....but we can't lose 90 games next year or 2021 will be
playoffs or bust.
As long as we are closer to .500 in 2020 all will be well.
I would think we need 80 wins for it to be considered a success and in line with "the plan".
This of course depends on what they do in the offseason.....I would think if they go big(Cole/Rendon,etc) then we need to be in the playoffs
next year.....I just don't see them going that big.
#140 · September 23, 2019, 1:39 pm
I realize that we are closer to the finish than the start. It's just that most people here seem to be demanding that we do something big this off season. That's not how rebuilds work. Let's be honest, ownership is not going to give out another $250-$300 million contract for Cole. As much as I know how so many people here like to think that we can trade our castoffs for a "big talent" in the OF as long as the players we trade fill a need for the other team, those trades are just not realistic. They don't happen. If we want a real upgrade we will have to pay huge money for it or trade huge prospects for it. So saying we need to win "next year" is just a useless statement. I believe we will be competitive next year. But we are where we are. Major change and big upgrades are not really feasible right now. We will win, we just have to wait for it. We have been waiting since '98. Does an extra year or so really make that much of a difference?