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#171 · June 16, 2020, 8:07 am
Maybe we end up following the grievance storyline even if owners declare no season.
- Union would clearly file citing the owners did not adhere to the good faith negotiations to play the maximum games
- Owners would counter file citing the Union did not adhere to the good faith negotiations to play the maximum games
- grievances go to an arbitrator
- weeks to file the required paperwork
- weeks to assemble witnesses and testimony
- weeks for the arbitrator to analyze to cases
- arbitrator makes a decision ... likely both (or neither) side is at fault ... awards no financial relieve to anyone
- owners and Union are directed to resume negotiations
- **** everyone celebrates Labor Day **** and the football season
- Negotiations are deferred to January 15th to see where the pandemic stands
- ST is delayed until negotiations are completed
- start of the season is delayed until the negotiations are completed
- season is cancelled
- CBA negotiations begin for a 2022 season
#172 · June 16, 2020, 10:07 am
"13.season is cancelled"
Bite your tongue!
#173 · June 16, 2020, 1:16 pm
The only solace I can find if we have no baseball in 2020 is that the dodgers lost 3 players and had to pay 1/2 of David Prices salary and a full years of Betts's and Betts won't even suit up for them and Price is another year older.
Every team will have issues with losing certain players last years etc....but that has to hurt.
On the other hand...not playing even one game for the Dodgers will probably help them in signing him long term somehow.
I wonder if he ever ended up moving to L.A.
Does anyone know?
#174 · June 16, 2020, 1:19 pm
So for the Padres the biggest loss is Yates and losing one season of Machado basically.
Plus we will have traded Renfroe and Xavier Edwards for only "one" season of Tommy Pham...ugh!
If Manny ends up opting out we would then only end up with four seasons with him.....this of course assumes we have baseball in 2021.
On the bright side we also lost one season of Hosmers deal....:)
#175 · June 16, 2020, 2:42 pm
Don’t forget Myers!
#177 · June 17, 2020, 7:25 am
Matt Swartz on MLBTradeRumors highlights one of the major "irritants" to the players in these negotiations. He has a chart that shows that since 2002 the payrolls have doubled ... almost lock step with revenue from attendance which also doubled. However, TV revenues have risen 350% (not shared with the players) resulting in total revenue increase of about triple while players only grew double.
I can see the Union's point that if the owners for all that time have not shared any of the upside (and kept all the expanded revenues as their profit) ... why now that there may be a loss in the short run should the players "share" the downside to ensure the owners maximize their profits.
Whether it is attendance or TV viewership ... the fans are there to watch the players not the owners.
Adding to the owners' sinking credibility is a couple of owners coming out and saying they make most of the profit from fan attendance or the baseball is not that profitable. Owners are either out touch with reality or just think they are too powerful and little will diminish their future value.
#178 · June 17, 2020, 7:48 am
Since a lot of the reports are based on intentional "leaks" by both sides that serve to curry favor of the fans or put pressure on the other side.
To that end, maybe the report the other day that more than eight owners don't want to have a season is just an owners' ploy to pressure on the Union to makes concessions potentially fearing losing a full year of pay.
Of course, that may have spurred the Union filing a billion dollar grievance talk based on the owners not following the March 26th agreement to play the as many games as possible .... since they did have an owners' offer on the table.
That in turn, moved the owners to step back from their plan to open unless the Union agrees not to file a grievance. (not likely to happened). Owners did not offer to waive their rights to file a grievance vs. the union or anything else.
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IF MLB declares a season, how many of the "stars" will show up given, other than loss of pay, there is no "penalty". Service time is not an issue for the players on long term contracts. Not required to play if worried about their health or their family's health and that can be used as a excuse to be on the beach in Miami.
Shorter the season ... more likely that happens as players "protest" the unilateral declaration by the owners. Not a good lock for anyone and a potential nightmare for administering a 40 man roster under the current rules.
#179 · June 17, 2020, 11:37 am
According to Jon Heyman they are "closing in on an agreement"!!!!!
Best news I've heard in 3 months!
Let's go!
#180 · June 17, 2020, 11:38 am
"As part of the pending agreement to play the 2020 season between MLB and the players union, the union has agreed to waive any grievance."
PENDING AGREEMENT?