Quote from Brian Connelly on August 29, 2020, 8:42 am

For comparison,  Pomeranz & Strahm have elite #'s.  Tim Hill is in the range of these Pirates RP's.  But these 4 guys are currently outperforming everyone else in our pen including:  Pierce Johnson, Pagan, Stammen.  Quantrill's 2.76 ERA is low, but 1.41 WHIP, .274 BAA are mediocre.  I'm sure he has better overall "stuff" than these guys, and love how he can fill multiple roles, but guarantee his "predictive" stats would show worse ERA.  Lives dangerously a lot like yesterday....

Quote from Randy Manese on August 29, 2020, 9:52 am

Pillar has been on my radar as well as Solak in my imaginary multi-player deal with Texas for Lance Lynn.   Maybin, like Pillar, is a FA after this season so these rentals won't cost much.  I don't remember Maybin, however, as being a high OBP guy when he played for us, so I'd prefer the other two.  Hope to hear something soon!

Quote from BoosterSD on August 29, 2020, 10:31 am

Quote from Randy Manese on August 28, 2020, 10:14 pm

I'm not understanding the negativity regarding Naylor.  He's hitting .281, making decent contact and has a low strikeout rate.   What has he done or not done different from any other Padre?  Is he a worse hitter than Profar or Hedges?  Has he made more errors than Grisham or Cronenworth?  Has he got picked off base 3 times like Tatis?  Why are you guys so negative about him?  He runs out balls hard and gives a good effort in the field.

 

He may be hitting .281, but he has terrible at bats. It seems like he misses/fouls off most of good pitches that he gets. Most of the at bats I see from him are soft, fluffly, easy outs. When I see him at the plate, I think "easy out". He has no POWER. He doesnt drive in runs. And he is a liability in the field.

At least Profar is a more professional hitter, has some power, and can play multiple position, and has some speed.

And Hedges, at least can be argued that is at the top of the league at his position defensively. And I know Hedges has 20 more ABs; however, Hedges is leading 3-0 in HRs and 5-2 in RBIs.

Quote from BoosterSD on August 29, 2020, 10:39 am

Quote from Randy Manese on August 29, 2020, 9:52 am

Pillar has been on my radar as well as Solak in my imaginary multi-player deal with Texas for Lance Lynn.   Maybin, like Pillar, is a FA after this season so these rentals won't cost much.  I don't remember Maybin, however, as being a high OBP guy when he played for us, so I'd prefer the other two.  Hope to hear something soon!

I remember the same, when he was with us the first time. It seemed either it was all or nothing for him. However, if I recall, last season he seemed to be a very good OBP guy with NYY and it being part of a swing revamp/over haul. With that being said, his career OBP v LHP is only .315.

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 29, 2020, 10:45 am

34 games into 60 game season granted after a 10 run, 19 hit game in Colorado... but with  3 more games in Colorado coming up the Padres in MLB are:

OPS 2nd, OBP T-3rd, BA T-6th, Runs Scored: 2nd, HR: 3rd, BB: 6th, SB: Tied 2nd

Again, the "raw" # stats are skewed a little high b/c we've played more games, but the % stats are not.  This is despite way below league average offensive production from LF & C.  DH is too hard to track & starting to improve as it rotates through everyday players, France heating up, etc.

Padres offense is clearly one of the best in baseball & could even get better, although what some guys are doing doesn't seem sustainable.  Not only is offense the least of our problems, but what position player would you take off roster to add someone?   Really France & Naylor are the only options, and France is hitting, Naylor needs to play more LF vs RHP.

ONLY other option would be to drop a bullpen arm for a position player.  Philosophically I prefer this, and do have an off day Sept 1st, so if added say Kevin Pillar at deadline, COULD do this.  But then would have to survive 15 games in a row stretch before the schedule lightens with all the off days.  Even I admit that would be extremely tough with us using a 5th SP that only goes 2-3 IP.

Our one positional need I think is CF just so someone can spell Grisham sometimes vs RHP & be a backup at a critical position...

But worrying about our Offense is like worrying about a door ding on your car when the engine (Pitching) just blew a head gasket.

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 29, 2020, 10:52 am

Quote from BoosterSD on August 29, 2020, 10:39 am

Quote from Randy Manese on August 29, 2020, 9:52 am

Pillar has been on my radar as well as Solak in my imaginary multi-player deal with Texas for Lance Lynn.   Maybin, like Pillar, is a FA after this season so these rentals won't cost much.  I don't remember Maybin, however, as being a high OBP guy when he played for us, so I'd prefer the other two.  Hope to hear something soon!

I remember the same, when he was with us the first time. It seemed either it was all or nothing for him. However, if I recall, last season he seemed to be a very good OBP guy with NYY and it being part of a swing revamp/over haul. With that being said, his career OBP v LHP is only .315.

Yeah, I have a soft spot for Maybin b/c my 3 yr old son at time would say "Cam-e-ron May-bin" was his favorite Padre circa 2011-12!   But he's a reverse split guy who really hasn't played CF in 2 years.  Pillar's CAREER OBP is < .300, so not much offense, but 2 yrs younger, more recent CF play, etc.

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 29, 2020, 10:54 am

Quote from BoosterSD on August 29, 2020, 10:31 am

Quote from Randy Manese on August 28, 2020, 10:14 pm

I'm not understanding the negativity regarding Naylor.  He's hitting .281, making decent contact and has a low strikeout rate.   What has he done or not done different from any other Padre?  Is he a worse hitter than Profar or Hedges?  Has he made more errors than Grisham or Cronenworth?  Has he got picked off base 3 times like Tatis?  Why are you guys so negative about him?  He runs out balls hard and gives a good effort in the field.

 

He may be hitting .281, but he has terrible at bats. It seems like he misses/fouls off most of good pitches that he gets. Most of the at bats I see from him are soft, fluffly, easy outs. When I see him at the plate, I think "easy out". He has no POWER. He doesnt drive in runs. And he is a liability in the field.

At least Profar is a more professional hitter, has some power, and can play multiple position, and has some speed.

And Hedges, at least can be argued that is at the top of the league at his position defensively. And I know Hedges has 20 more ABs; however, Hedges is leading 3-0 in HRs and 5-2 in RBIs.

He hasn't gotten to play steadily.  Entire career gifted hitter, good eye.  The lack of in game power has been an issue his whole career though.  But HAVE to do something other than Profar in LF vs RHP.  Naylor's the only reasonable option.

Quote from fenn68 on August 29, 2020, 11:08 am

Attack from multiple fronts to make the whole team better.

Worrying about SP depth and RP, yes .. just does not mean they can be upgraded. So, upgrading even a portion of the offense (and insurance for CF if Grisham needs a break / injured) at a cheap price makes some sense. If they can’t out pitch them ... out hit them.

If they added an OF ... would just send Naylor down (not playing all that much) or just maybe he is that trade chip in a deal that gets them an upgrade at SP/RP.

Not as though the alternate site has much to offer in the OF that is ML ready for a playoff push ... Olivares faded quickly in his debut ... Almonte is lucky to be considered a bench option at this point.

Actually more concerned about a Grisham injury and turning over CF to Mateo? Profar? Olivares? ............. Myers? ...... then Naylor a likely full time RF!

Quote from Brian Connelly on August 29, 2020, 11:47 am

I agree I'm concerned there's no "real" CF active to back up Grisham or even platoon a little vs LHP.

But I disagree with sending Naylor down to do so (although I admit he could come back 9/16 when the multiple off days come in to play).   Profar has had enough opportunity to prove that he is not hitting/getting on base vs RHP.  Why not give Naylor multiple starts in LF with the favorable matchup vs RHP?  If you just go strictly by matchups, Naylor would play more either LF or at least DH vs RHP than a new guy would only in CF vs only LHP.  Just don't understand the condemning of Naylor early in season when he had like 5 AB's, and now again?

IF they do land a CF capable OF, Pads may have to pick their poison over that 15 games in a row stretch starting 9/2:  Go with "only" (sigh) a 9-man bullpen, or go down a LH bat.  I'd go 9 in pen.  See how it goes, hopefully can make it, but can always "add" another arm if neccy by optioning Naylor.  But would want to be able to voluntarily recall him by 9/18 when can shrink the pen again.... actually just realized you can "shrink" by dropping the #5 SP too.

The underlying fundamental issue is that if we go with a 5th SP who,no matter how good he is, can only go 3-4 Innings, you're adding somewhere between 3 - 9+ innings to the bullpen load over a 15 games in a row stretch... just doesn't allow for 1 of the top 4 SP to have a bad day, doubleheader, etc.