Quote from fenn68 on August 25, 2020, 7:28 am

Any technical issue placing players on the 45 day IL if they can be put on retroactive to the original injury date?

Would think Castillo, Yates, and Pham could have been moved to the 45 day before removing Eickhoff. Given original injury dates, expected earliest return, and end of the season date ... would have thought that would be move #1. At the 45 day mark ... just activate them (if need them) and make another move.

Maybe not a big issue with Eickhoff being the outright player (guessing he cleared waivers) but just the choice when there appears to be a different option.

Quote from fenn68 on August 25, 2020, 3:00 pm

Not expecting the Padres make a deal for Lance Lynn but apparently Texas is “entertaining” offers (not that means all that much).

First, Lynn is good (upper rotation arm) and comes with 2021 control ... a lot of teams should want to trade for him ... Texas does not have to trade him now (next winter is an option) .. so expect a steep price. Note he is 33 now so 2021 he will be 34 and likely not a candidate for an extension.

So, IF the Padres went down that route in a win now mode:

1. Where does Lynn slide into the rotation? Based on production in 2020 (and history) #2 between Lamet and Davies? When the Padres go to a 4 man rotation down the stretch (and in the early playoffs) ... who gets bumped to the bullpen Paddack or Richards?

2. And of course, what would you offer and what should Texas take to make that deal happen (remember others are lurking)?

Quote from JasonE135 on August 25, 2020, 11:52 pm

Quote from fenn68 on August 25, 2020, 3:00 pm

Not expecting the Padres make a deal for Lance Lynn but apparently Texas is “entertaining” offers (not that means all that much).

First, Lynn is good (upper rotation arm) and comes with 2021 control ... a lot of teams should want to trade for him ... Texas does not have to trade him now (next winter is an option) .. so expect a steep price. Note he is 33 now so 2021 he will be 34 and likely not a candidate for an extension.

So, IF the Padres went down that route in a win now mode:

1. Where does Lynn slide into the rotation? Based on production in 2020 (and history) #2 between Lamet and Davies? When the Padres go to a 4 man rotation down the stretch (and in the early playoffs) ... who gets bumped to the bullpen Paddack or Richards?

2. And of course, what would you offer and what should Texas take to make that deal happen (remember others are lurking)?

1. I would think Lynn would be our #2, if not our new #1 just because he goes deeper into games than Lamet. As for who gets dropped from the rotation I think Preller/Tingler will play whoever the hot hand is.

2. Texas will want at least 1 top 100 prospect and probably another guy who is close. I am sure they would try to demand either Abrams or Patino. They would probably "settle" for Campusano along with a highly thought of starting pitching prospect like Morejon or Weathers. I would not pay that price. I would maybe pay something like Morejon and Arias with maybe another high risk, high reward type of prospect, and that would hurt for me. Even so I doubt that Texas would take that.

I am sure Texas will want to be able to get Weathers, but at his past value. Now that he is throwing 95-97 regularly with a plus changeup and slider and plus command I see him flying up prospect lists next year. They will try to act like he is just a throw in or an extra. Preller will not.

Quote from fenn68 on August 26, 2020, 5:45 am

As it appears that the Padres are in the driver’s seat for a playoffs spot and probably a #4 seed and considering they only have 23 games after the trade deadline ... that should change the nature of the targets in any deal.

Basically, if they are in the playoffs ... does adding anyone for those last 23 games have any value? Then, playoffs are first short and then would expect the players used (especially in round 1) are limited.

That suggests a “rental” is very limited value for the Padres and keep in mind that no guarantee that add actually performs in the new environment. Not worth trading a major asset?

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Is a more logical deal is for a player controlled for at least 2021 if a major asset is being used. That then brings in the projection of the 2021 roster and trying to marry the playoff 2020 needs and the 2021 needs vs. the quality of the assets used in the trade.

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Either scenario ... any trade target has to be an impact player in the playoffs ... Padres are winning ... everyone has a “small sample size” limitation on evaluation in 2020 good or bad ... all that does not make a scenario for a major trade deadline move and is a minor move really any guaranteed improvement of the current roster?

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 26, 2020, 6:21 am

With that in mind I'm warming to the idea of Givens and/or Castro from Balt.

Especially Givens but if they want to move both together....OK.

Givens controlled next year as well..Castro thru 2022.

Castro is a ground ball pitcher with a 54% GB rate...ideal for this team.

While the extra year/s of control will add to the cost it still shouldn't be exorbitant.

 

Quote from fenn68 on August 26, 2020, 6:57 am

Noted that Torrens got into yesterday's game ... so apparently no concussion issue, good.

Makes the Eickhoff move less understandable unless it was request by Eickhoff to just go home.

Quote from Randy Manese on August 26, 2020, 10:27 am

Given the recent struggles of Paddack and the continued below league average performances in LF and C, in particular, it's beginning to make more sense to me to trade with Texas for Lance Lynn and several other players that could help our current and future situation.  Lynn has one year left at 9.3 million (+100K if traded to a west coast club) and Texas would probably like to land some top level/major league ready prospects for him.  He would also fit in next year if we don't re-sign Richards and neither Patino or Gore are ready for regular starting duty, assuming Paddack corrects whatever issues he currently has.  Not quite sure what Texas would want but might start with Morejon and possibly one more starting pitcher (maybe Lucchesi?) and a couple other players who have the possibility to be contributors next year or the year after.  Could see guys like Mejia, Naylor, France, Olivares, Potts (he's from Texas) or even Arias or Trammell in the mix to make it happen, depending on what's in the package.  I'd see them able to part with guys like Choo, Frazier and/or Solak and Trevino.   We have a lot of Texas connections, so greater chance it might happen than trading with KC, Pittsburgh, LAA or Boston.   I still believe we can get into the playoffs with what we have, but a much better team if we add on some veteran talent where we are currently weak.   No way, however, do we part with Gore, Patino, Abrams or Campusano or even Weathers or Cantillo in this kind of deal.

 

Quote from fenn68 on August 26, 2020, 11:06 am

Wonder the current trade value of Trammell? None of the prospects (for any team) are playing ... so have to rely upon 2019 when Trammell was viewed as a Top 100. Current sitting at #60.

Looks as though Grisham is around for 5 more years ... Myers for 2 more years ... Pham for 2021. A lot can happened in the OF by 2022. Even if you think Trammell will be a good ML player for the Padres ... if he is the key to getting a player such as Lynn for the playoff run and 2021 ... trade him?

Gambling the current INF for the Padres is around for quite a few more years .... dealing Arias, Miller, or Marcano should be justifiable. Sort of the same with Mejia if you believe Campusano is the future and Hedges / Torrens can bridge to that point (plus is Hunt the deep insurance at catcher?).

I am just not as comfortable yet with dealing pitching ... #5 is an open issue, Richards gone next year and Davies the next ... then all the other “names” are just prospects that have proven little .. yet. So far we are only “comfortable” with Lamet for the longer term and now have a question on Paddack. Plus some of those prospect SP may be needed for the pen which will age out sooner than later.

 

Quote from 84padres on August 26, 2020, 1:50 pm

Given our LF struggles I would suggest Jacoby Jones from Detroit. He had been a terrible hitter but after starting out last year with  his usual 180 hitting he did a complete revamping of his approach  and hit 271 and 290 in June and July.  He then got hurt and missed the last 2 months. He is hitting 273 with 0.6 war and can play a pretty good CF or LF.  Could be a huge upgrade from Profar and a backup to Grisham. Detroit needs any prospects especially catcher, maybe Mejia ?