Quote from Booster SD on October 3, 2018, 6:58 am

Any chance that SD and BAL could work a Myers/Cobb trade? There's a $31M difference that would have to be accounted for, but Myers in the AL makes some sense as a DH or OF since Jones is departing via FA and Cobb could bounce back in the NL with Balsley.

Quote from fenn68 on October 3, 2018, 8:23 am

Quote from dusty on October 2, 2018, 8:55 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if we took a gamble on Donaldson for third base. He is obviously getting up there in age but a 2 year deal at 15-20 mil per could probably get him as a bounce back candidate. Or I would think a possibile trade candidate might be Travis Shaw after the brewers acquisition of Moose.

Keep in mind the Moose only has a "mutual option" ($15MM) with Milw for 2019 ... and both sides rarely agree to that ... so expect Moose to be a FA. Moose is 30 and needs to retest the FA market while Shaw is only 28 with 3 years of control (in Arb 1) and therefore Shaw makes more sense for Milw. Besides, Shaw was better offensively than Moose last year (and the year before). Moose could be a FA option for the Padres (LHH helps).

As for Donaldson, giving a soon to be 33 year old coming off a 52 game season (only 113 the year before) that kind of money for two years when 2019 will not be a contending year given the SP really does not fit the plan to build for 2020 and beyond.

Quote from fenn68 on October 3, 2018, 8:52 am

Quote from Booster SD on October 3, 2018, 6:58 am

Any chance that SD and BAL could work a Myers/Cobb trade? There's a $31M difference that would have to be accounted for, but Myers in the AL makes some sense as a DH or OF since Jones is departing via FA and Cobb could bounce back in the NL with Balsley.

Interesting thought ... any idea on what was Cobb's problem last season. He did start 28 games ... just was ineffective.

IF I am wearing may Orioles hat knowing I was the worse team in MLB and in a division with Boston and NYY who will be strong for years ... I would focus on moving on for the expensive veterans and go get prospects (note the are stuck with Davis and Trumbo for some time at large dollars). So, I could see them move on from Cobb (30 years old with 3 years to go under contract at $14-14-15MM) but not to take on Myers and his contract.

Cobb for prospects (and not elite ones) just to move that $43MM off the books makes the most sense and that is a gamble that might fit SD.

Somewhat boils down to what the Padres see left in Cobb .... the contract dollars are not that bad if he returns anywhere near his previous levels.

Should note that getting 3 years (if he rebounds) of Cobb would be in the Padres' sweet spot giving a balance of having him at the start of the contending period (2020-21) while allowing full development time for the prospects still in AA/A+ keeping in mind at the end they do need 5 minimum reliable SP.

Quote from Booster SD on October 3, 2018, 10:27 am

Quote from fenn68 on October 3, 2018, 8:52 am

Quote from Booster SD on October 3, 2018, 6:58 am

Any chance that SD and BAL could work a Myers/Cobb trade? There's a $31M difference that would have to be accounted for, but Myers in the AL makes some sense as a DH or OF since Jones is departing via FA and Cobb could bounce back in the NL with Balsley.

Interesting thought ... any idea on what was Cobb's problem last season. He did start 28 games ... just was ineffective.

IF I am wearing may Orioles hat knowing I was the worse team in MLB and in a division with Boston and NYY who will be strong for years ... I would focus on moving on for the expensive veterans and go get prospects (note the are stuck with Davis and Trumbo for some time at large dollars). So, I could see them move on from Cobb (30 years old with 3 years to go under contract at $14-14-15MM) but not to take on Myers and his contract.

Cobb for prospects (and not elite ones) just to move that $43MM off the books makes the most sense and that is a gamble that might fit SD.

Somewhat boils down to what the Padres see left in Cobb .... the contract dollars are not that bad if he returns anywhere near his previous levels.

Should note that getting 3 years (if he rebounds) of Cobb would be in the Padres' sweet spot giving a balance of having him at the start of the contending period (2020-21) while allowing full development time for the prospects still in AA/A+ keeping in mind at the end they do need 5 minimum reliable SP.

He did have a stronger 2nd half compared to the first, so maybe a little contractitis and being with a new team and pitching coach for the first time in 6 years. We all know what Bals can do with pitchers. I get what you are saying about the Os moving on from high end vets, I still think that Myers (from NC originally) could help be a name. Not sure what BAL has coming up as far as talent is concerned, I know that they quite a few prospects at the trade deadline, it seams that Myers could be OK in that situation, being able to play LF, RF, 1B, & DH. If it were a Myers/Cobb start, SD would have to add some better prospects to offset the contract, but it would alleviate the logjam of RHH corner OF that SD has with Myers, Renfroe, Reyes.

Quote from fenn68 on October 3, 2018, 11:03 am

Simply Baltimore's farm system stinks. A couple of AA hitters (OF and 3B) then not much and little near term. Add that they just dumped Showalter, looking more like a Houston total rebuild strategy. Hard to see them even sniffing playoffs in the next 4-5 years which suggests they move assets for the best prospects they can get. Mix in that they are burdened with Davis' huge / forever contract cogging up 1B and still have Trumbo (DH) they might want to first see if they can some value out of them. Pretty good LF youngster in Mancini. Myers just does nothing for them. Think the Padres have the prospect assets (this could be quantity over quality) plus the financial flexibility to make a move on Cobb.

Sounds like you are more interested in moving Myers ... think that could be better options this winter from team with some payroll space and where Myers could fill a need (1B or OF). Atlanta and Philadelphia are ones to keep a watch out for and (long shot) Cleveland who will have the real OF need in 2019 (and beyond) but iffy on the payroll flexibility BUT Myers cost in 2019 is not all that great while the Indians will shed some significant payroll and after 2019 some players like Encarnacion and Alonso move on clearing a lot of payroll space. All "contenders" in 2019 with potential real OF deficiencies and some payroll flexibility. Atlanta and Cleveland have talent to deal .... and maybe Philadelphia. Want a 3B .... Atlanta could offer AAA Top 100 prospect Riley and Philadelphia might offer Franco with wanting to move Hoskins back to 1B (Santana to 3B ... non-tender Bour). No 3B from Cleveland but a number of decent arms that might work (ML and prospects).

Quote from Booster SD on October 3, 2018, 11:25 am

Agree with wanting to move Myers, since he is no mans land as far as a position is concerned with SD. Also why Im thinking a move back to the AL with a DH might be best. Who in the AL; besides CLE, will need a RHH DH/OF? ANA is set I believe. SEA maybe? NYY have always been a good place to dump salary and named players, but they seem RHH heavy with Judge and Stanton. Of course, they could move Renfroe or Reyes instead and place Myers back in LF. A young controllable OF should be of interest in BAL. With the smaller left fields of BAL, BOS, and to a point TAM & NYY Renfroe should be even better defensively and see his power numbers go up in those ball parks as well. That would let Reyes/Myers fight for LF with Cordero assuming his RF spot when back to health and up to ML speed.

An OF of Reyes, Margot/Jank, Cordero would be nice.

And maybe with an offseason of working on footwork and arm slot, Myers could be better than average at 3B, filling another hole for SD.

Quote from fenn68 on October 3, 2018, 1:49 pm

A bit of chicken and egg ... Padres will have to get a legit ML 3B who can come close to Myers' offensive numbers for the next 3 years (hoping Potts steps up by then) before they deal Myers and create a worse situation at 3B. That is NOT Villanueva a 27 year old journey man who had two good months (April and Aug) and during May through July was a sub-.200 hitter an a sub-.250 OBP ... not a selling point for a team that has said they want to improve OBP. That is NOT Spangenberg.

I guess even if they do get a deal for a legit ML 3B talent that still leaves Renfroe in play with Myers to the OF. Myers history is a better OBP and would maybe even better defensively in LF. Got to see a lot more of Cordero to cede him a corner OF slot ... both OBP and defensively.

Preller probably does not care who gets dealt if the ends up with the deal(s) he wants ... the keys are the return. If he stick with what he said was his approach in the past ... he has a target return level for each (not necessarily the same) and IF some team meets or exceeded that target on one ... that one gets dealt. Myers vs. Renfroe might not make much difference in LF so it is the return. Myers at 3B and Cordero in LF might be OK if Renfroe yielded a quality SP.

This could be much more complex given the alternatives and actually finding a team that is interested (and offer a fair return) ... good chance nothing happens and that may be better than just creating more holes.

Quote from fenn68 on October 4, 2018, 8:20 am

Time to do Preller's job and get a 3B prospect. Target Austin Riley (21) and MLB #43 (#3 3B prospect) .... 291 AB in AAA (282/246/464) ... upside power (RHH) but high K% and OK defense with a big arm for 3B .... considering he is 21 in AAA the potential for development is there.

Why would Atlanta consider dealing him? Last season was a breakout for their 3B Johan Camargo (24) a switch hitter with 5 more years of control and in 464 AB in the ML hit 272/349/452 provides a strong block. With Freeman at 1B ... not going there.

Likely Atlanta as NL East champs will want to continue ... they are losing some FA (and saving money with a basically young team) most likely Markakis who at 35 next season is not a long term but should require a hefty contract to return ... will not return. (good chance Markakis' 2019 deal would be more expensive than Myers' 2019 and clearly Renfroe's both with a longer team control.) Braves do not have a near term OF prospect ready to step up ... Duvall is not it. Add that if Philadelphia (they made a run in 2019 and have a bundle of money to target Harper or Machado ... or both ... sign one or both, then Atlanta is more motived to move.

Preller offers a "pick him" between Renfroe (strong SLG but only a 1/2 year positive results higher risk) or Myers (better track record with a consistent .790 OPS so a "safer offensive bet" offset by a 4 year $70MM contract.)

On the surface it would seem Renfroe for Riley would be a match .... some level of ML success in Renfroe (plus low cost with control) for a PROSPECT who has not even had a full AAA season but with upside.

Fair chance they would prefer Myers ... a better sense of what kind of output they would get which may be important for a contender. Maybe an established MLer for a prospect works. If necessary, Padres "eat" some contract or add a second piece (Braves may need some new blood in the pen).

 

Quote from Booster SD on October 4, 2018, 9:05 am

TEX is said to be looking for pitching according to MLBTR, both starting and relief. SD is known to want to increase their OBP. Maybe a deal of Myers, Lauer to TEX for Choo. Choo is owed $42 mil through 2020 and would be an ideal lead off hitter for SD, with Urias batting second. Myers could play OF or 1B for TEX and give them a bat to replace Beltre that is possibly retiring after this season, and Lauer would fill a rotation spot for them.