Quote from MrPadre19 on July 26, 2018, 1:29 pm

Losing Hedges for one season of Sonny Gray...and a season we still won't contend,to me is "no bueno."

 

Quote from Booster SD on July 26, 2018, 1:32 pm

Quote from David Nevin on July 26, 2018, 1:29 pm

Losing Hedges for one season of Sonny Gray...and a season we still won't contend,to me is "no bueno."

 

Its not one season MrP, he is under team control via arbitration through 2020. So you could get him for 2.5 seasons as is, or when you get him, see if he is interested in signing a 3 year extension. Eliminate 2 years of arbitration and his 1st year of FA. He is $6.5M this year, maybe $8M for 2019 and $10M for 2020, so maybe 3 years at $28M to include 2021. Security for him, and a steady source for SD.

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 26, 2018, 1:56 pm

Quote from Booster SD on July 26, 2018, 1:32 pm

Quote from David Nevin on July 26, 2018, 1:29 pm

Losing Hedges for one season of Sonny Gray...and a season we still won't contend,to me is "no bueno."

 

Its not one season MrP, he is under team control via arbitration through 2020. So you could get him for 2.5 seasons as is, or when you get him, see if he is interested in signing a 3 year extension. Eliminate 2 years of arbitration and his 1st year of FA. He is $6.5M this year, maybe $8M for 2019 and $10M for 2020, so maybe 3 years at $28M to include 2021. Security for him, and a steady source for SD.

According to everything I've seen he is an UFA after next season.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-yankees/sonny-gray-14331/

Quote from Booster SD on July 26, 2018, 2:14 pm

Quote from David Nevin on July 26, 2018, 1:56 pm

Quote from Booster SD on July 26, 2018, 1:32 pm

Quote from David Nevin on July 26, 2018, 1:29 pm

Losing Hedges for one season of Sonny Gray...and a season we still won't contend,to me is "no bueno."

 

Its not one season MrP, he is under team control via arbitration through 2020. So you could get him for 2.5 seasons as is, or when you get him, see if he is interested in signing a 3 year extension. Eliminate 2 years of arbitration and his 1st year of FA. He is $6.5M this year, maybe $8M for 2019 and $10M for 2020, so maybe 3 years at $28M to include 2021. Security for him, and a steady source for SD.

According to everything I've seen he is an UFA after next season.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-yankees/sonny-gray-14331/

I misread baseball reference, they made it look like 2020 was his last arb year and a FA after 2020 season. So Ross/Ellis and MiL for Gray and a MiL to balance things out, and we get shot at a former ace for a small MiL player loss.

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 26, 2018, 2:52 pm

I keep going back to the Braves in my mind.

I just saw where they have interest in Moustakas.

They have Camargo and Riley and I would love either if the cost was Ross/Stammen or Ross/Prospect.

Or some combination.I just know I don't want to go through 2019 with CV and Spangy as our  3b options.

 

 

Quote from sportwarrior on July 27, 2018, 12:34 pm

Quote from David Nevin on July 26, 2018, 1:00 pm

Quote from sportwarrior on July 26, 2018, 11:56 am

I will absolutely flip my lid if we trade any of our guys for Archer. I'd MUCH rather enjoy the excitement of watching our prospects sink or swim over the next year or two than acquire a guy like freaking Chris Archer.

If AJ really wants to do something nuts, go get someone like Thor or DeGrom. Make an ACTUAL splash for someone that legitimately would be an upgrade. Why they'd ever view Archer as a potential asset is completely beyond me. GUH

I think that's a little harsh.

Archer two years ago was one of the best pitchers in baseball and he's still only 29.

Coming to Petco,working with Balsley, pitching in  the NL West instead of the AL East he could very easily be a top 10 MLB pitcher again as soon as next season.

The issue would be the cost and how much less the cost would be than Thor or DeGrom.

Archers contract is only $8 mil a season and is controlled for 3 more seasons after this one.

Thor is Arb eligible  for 3 more seasons while Degrom is also Arb eligible but for only 2 more seasons and will also make much more than $8 mil per.

Archer is the lowest cost by far dollar wise so it all comes down to the cost prospect wise.

 

 

His only truly good year was 2015, when he had a solid ERA+ of 121 and an FIP of 2.90. Even then, that hardly qualifies him as one of the best pitchers in 2015. Other than that, he posted an ERA+ of 120 in a truncated 2013 campaign, an ERA+ of 112 in 2014 and 101 or below his other 4 seasons.

He isn't worth it.

Quote from sportwarrior on July 27, 2018, 12:37 pm

I see a lot of knocks on Urias because he lacks power. Honestly, guys, with his barrel to ball skills the guy could easily put up seasons similar to Mark Loretta's 2003/2004 years, and we absolutely should take that as a huge plus. Basically he could be our Dustin Pedroia.

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 29, 2018, 4:29 pm

Apparently we have a “huge” offer on the table for Archer.

Decision in the Rays hands.

Anyone wanna speculate on the offer?

Mejia-Naylor-Quantrill is my guess(hope).

 

Quote from Commie on July 29, 2018, 4:54 pm

Urias-Naylor-Patino-J Lopez

I know there's speculation that Mejia will be included, but I just don't think Archer is as valuable to teams as fans think. Mejia is a near future elite player.  Archer is not. Neither is Urias despite having a bright future. The above is a great return for Tampa. Your proposal is an over pay.