Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 10, 2019, 11:31 pm

Quote from dusty on December 10, 2019, 6:45 pm

This news of adding whit is just stunning to me due to the depth at second and I never would have thought of the possibility of a zobrist type player. Things are definitely getting interesting. Have to wonder if a Myers deal is becoming a legit possibility now. If they find someone to pick up enough money then ownership may essentially be saying whit is worth the money Wil is owed and don’t see it as too much of a sunk cost

Well all of our 2B (currently ) combined arent even as good as Whit by himself (WAR) so yeah AJP looking to improve a lot by adding WHIT to 2B..

Quote from JasonE135 on December 11, 2019, 12:21 am

I think that we will end up keeping Myers and Hedges at this point. I can very easily see Myers at .250/.320 with 20-25 HR and SB each. That is, if the Padres give him RF and let him stay there. Hedges seems to have very little actual trade value. He would be a throw in as opposed to an actual target. His defense and game-calling give him huge value for a young staff. We can trade him for nothing or keep him and let him mentor Mejia, Gore Patino and Paddack.

Quote from fenn68 on December 11, 2019, 2:44 am

Quote from JasonE135 on December 11, 2019, 12:21 am

I think that we will end up keeping Myers and Hedges at this point. I can very easily see Myers at .250/.320 with 20-25 HR and SB each. That is, if the Padres give him RF and let him stay there. Hedges seems to have very little actual trade value. He would be a throw in as opposed to an actual target. His defense and game-calling give him huge value for a young staff. We can trade him for nothing or keep him and let him mentor Mejia, Gore Patino and Paddack.

It is a big leap to think Hedges can (or want to) become a mentor to Mejia when every indication he believes he should be the #1 catcher on defense alone. Plus Padres have put Barajas in the role of catching coach for Mejia (they apparently have a good relationship).

Quote from BoosterSD on December 11, 2019, 8:42 am

With us possibly still looking at trying to get Whit, I wonder if something could be worked around Whit and Hosmer with prospects and maybe some money. Then SD could simply put Myers back at 1B. You would think that Hosmer could be willing to waive his no trade to go back home in KC. And wasnt KC in it until the last minute trying to keep him?

Although we would become very RHH heavy again and still need to fill RF. But then AJP could try and get Conforto or Nimmo, or Pederson. Or if Cordero is finally healthy.

How about a line up of Whit, Pham, Machado, Tatis, Nimmo, Mejia, Myers, Grisham look against RHSP.

Quote from sportwarrior on December 11, 2019, 9:16 am

I shudder to think what it'd take to acquire Whit from the Royals, where he's reportedly Dayton Moore's "guy." I don't want to call him overrated, because that term carries with it some negative connotations that I don't think are fair. BUT... his perceived value is way higher than his actual value, and I just do not think we're in a place that his solid stick tips us over the edge. He's a solid player, to be sure. But it's going to take *way* more to pry him from the Royals than it should take to get a 30 year old with a career OPS+ of 110. Overpaying like that might be fine for a team that's on the cusp, but we're not yet that team.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 11, 2019, 9:43 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 11, 2019, 8:42 am

With us possibly still looking at trying to get Whit, I wonder if something could be worked around Whit and Hosmer with prospects and maybe some money. Then SD could simply put Myers back at 1B. You would think that Hosmer could be willing to waive his no trade to go back home in KC. And wasnt KC in it until the last minute trying to keep him?

Although we would become very RHH heavy again and still need to fill RF. But then AJP could try and get Conforto or Nimmo, or Pederson. Or if Cordero is finally healthy.

How about a line up of Whit, Pham, Machado, Tatis, Nimmo, Mejia, Myers, Grisham look against RHSP.

Righty or lefty does not matter as long as you can hit both.. .. Its righties that can't hit RHP (ie Renfroe and Margot) that kill you..because 80%+ of pitchers are RHB... (Thus the value of lefty hitters ..But guys like Whit and Pham hit rightys just fine, as if they were lefties

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 11, 2019, 9:51 am

Quote from sportwarrior on December 11, 2019, 9:16 am

I shudder to think what it'd take to acquire Whit from the Royals, where he's reportedly Dayton Moore's "guy." I don't want to call him overrated, because that term carries with it some negative connotations that I don't think are fair. BUT... his perceived value is way higher than his actual value, and I just do not think we're in a place that his solid stick tips us over the edge. He's a solid player, to be sure. But it's going to take *way* more to pry him from the Royals than it should take to get a 30 year old with a career OPS+ of 110. Overpaying like that might be fine for a team that's on the cusp, but we're not yet that team.

Agreed.  BIG risk b/c his contract is so team friendly, but at his age, decline could happen quickly at any point.  Agree to an extent on the "over-rate"... kind of a fan/GM underdog favorite.  In all seriousness, what's the gap between 31 y.o. Merrifield & 26 y.o. rookie Cronenworth (LH)?   Is it worth giving up below for whatever that "gap" is?

Would have to give up MINIMUM a top 50 MLB prospect.... yes, that means something like:

• ABRAMS + Morejon + more     OR
• PATINO + Arias + more    incl some combo of 2B backfill likely Garcia + either Cronenworth or O. Miller

I would try to "quantity" them in the trade over quality, but no way they're doing a deal without a major prospect/s in return

Love that he'd be up top in order & how he could re-shape 25-man roster to likely delete Garcia & Kinsler, maybe go with only 1 bench INF (Profar)...

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 11, 2019, 10:24 am

Just depends on what "the Royals" mean by his being over rated.

In other words...they may love him and not want to trade him but if what they consider "overpaying" is still Ok to Aj...then fine.
He isn't gonna way overpay for a Merrifield type player.

Maybe for a TOR starter or a bona fide Cleanup hitter.

If we can "overpay" and still keep Gore-Patino-Abrams then i say go ahead and overpay.

If overpaying means adding one additional top 15-30 prospect.

Just to throw it out there:

Quantrill/Naylor/Weathers/Miller/Potts

Naylor immediately becomes their 1b.

Quantrill immediately their #3 Starter.

Weathers/Miller/Potts boost their upper Farm system and give them a chance at a solid MOR starter in Weathers.

I guess this depends on what other GM's value Q and Naylor at.....but if that still isn't enough I could see doing a different deal incl.Trammell.

As I said...any deal AJ is OK with that doesn't include the big 3.

Quantrill/Naylor/Trammell/Owens?...there's your top 50 prospect.

That's alot but does it really hurt us going forward?

If Grisham hits Trammell is expendable.....

 

 

 

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 11, 2019, 10:32 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 11, 2019, 10:24 am

Just depends on what "the Royals" mean by his being over rated.

In other words...they may love him and not want to trade him but if what they consider "overpaying" is still Ok to Aj...then fine.
He isn't gonna way overpay for a Merrifield type player.

Maybe for a TOR starter or a bona fide Cleanup hitter.

If we can "overpay" and still keep Gore-Patino-Abrams then i say go ahead and overpay.

If overpaying means adding one additional top 15-30 prospect.

Just to throw it out there:

Quantrill/Naylor/Weathers/Miller/Potts

Naylor immediately becomes their 1b.

Quantrill immediately their #3 Starter.

Weathers/Miller/Potts boost their upper Farm system and give them a chance at a solid MOR starter in Weathers.

I guess this depends on what other GM's value Q and Naylor at.....but if that still isn't enough I could see doing a different deal incl.Trammell.

As I said...any deal AJ is OK with that doesn't include the big 3.

Quantrill/Naylor/Trammell/Owens?

That's alot but does it really hurt us going forward?

If Grisham hits Trammell is expendable.....

 

 

 

 

If we move say Hedges to LAA for Marsh

Then can use Trammell + Naylor + Bolanos type package to get WHIT

Could follow that with France + Kinsler + Morejon + Quantrill for BOYD

And culminate with a Myers + Lucchesi + Ornelas + Torrens and Miller  for Johnny Cueto + Posey

Let's. Go!